From eric.gosnell at embedded-sys.com Sun Oct 1 20:00:20 2006 From: eric.gosnell at embedded-sys.com (Eric Gosnell) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:00:20 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Samba shared printer Message-ID: <20061001210020.cy706k3qi9csco8c@www.embedded-sys.com> I give up... I was going to try to do this myself, but it isn't working. The best results I ever achieved was printing about 10 minutes after I printed the document... I am also trying to share a directory with read/write rights. I want to be able to access the shared directory without a password. I am running: Linux version 2.6.16.13-4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.1.0 (SUSE Linux)) #1 Wed May 3 04:53:23 UTC 2006 I can print fine from linux using lpr . I can print a test page from the cups GUI normally. I will be printing via this box and using the shared directory from Windows XP boxes. (I gave up using my laptop wirelessly in Linux.) Can you help me??? Here is my smb.conf file: # smb.conf is the main Samba configuration file. You find a full commented # version at /usr/share/doc/packages/samba/examples/smb.conf.SUSE if the # samba-doc package is installed. # Date: 2006-05-02 [global] workgroup = MYWORKGROUP netbios name = myservername printing = cups printcap name = cups printcap cache time = 750 cups options = raw #map to guest = Bad User include = /etc/samba/dhcp.conf logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile logon drive = P: add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody -s /bin/false %m$ #domain logons = No #domain master = No #security = user passdb backend = smbpasswd # Added by ERIC server string = myservername #map to guest = nobody security = share load printers = Yes #disable spoolss = No show add printer wizard = No hosts allow = 10.1.1. localhost guest ok = Yes guest account = nobody domain logons = Yes domain master = Yes local master = Yes # END Added by ERIC [homes] #comment = Home Directories #valid users = %S, %D%w%S #browseable = No #read only = No #inherit acls = Yes [profiles] #comment = Network Profiles Service #path = %H #read only = No #store dos attributes = Yes #create mask = 0600 #directory mask = 0700 [users] #comment = All users #path = /home #read only = No #inherit acls = Yes #veto files = /aquota.user/groups/shares/ [groups] #comment = All groups #path = /home/groups #read only = No #inherit acls = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers #path = /var/tmp #Added by ERIC path = /var/spool/samba guest ok = Yes use client driver = Yes read only = Yes browseable = Yes writable = Yes #END Added by ERIC printable = Yes create mask = 0600 #browseable = No [print$] comment = Printer Drivers #path = /var/lib/samba/drivers write list = @ntadmin root force group = ntadmin create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 #Added by ERIC path = /usr/share/cups/drivers browsable = Yes guest ok = No read only = Yes #write list = root #END Added by ERIC [stuff] #inherit acls = No path = /stuff read only = No browsable = Yes writable = Yes guest ok = Yes ======================================================================== Here is my cupsd.conf file: # # "$Id: cupsd.conf.in,v 1.17 2005/01/03 19:29:45 mike Exp $" # # Sample configuration file for the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS) # scheduler. # # Copyright 1997-2005 by Easy Software Products, all rights reserved. # # These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs are the # property of Easy Software Products and are protected by Federal # copyright law. Distribution and use rights are outlined in the file # "LICENSE.txt" which should have been included with this file. If this # file is missing or damaged please contact Easy Software Products # at: # # Attn: CUPS Licensing Information # Easy Software Products # 44141 Airport View Drive, Suite 204 # Hollywood, Maryland 20636 USA # # Voice: (301) 373-9600 # EMail: cups-info at cups.org # WWW: http://www.cups.org # ######################################################################## # # # This is the CUPS configuration file. If you are familiar with # # Apache or any of the other popular web servers, we've followed the # # same format. Any configuration variable used here has the same # # semantics as the corresponding variable in Apache. If we need # # different functionality then a different name is used to avoid # # confusion... # # # ######################################################################## ######## ######## Server Identity ######## # # ServerName: the hostname of your server, as advertised to the world. # By default CUPS will use the hostname of the system. # # To set the default server used by clients, see the client.conf file. # #ServerName myhost.domain.com # # ServerAdmin: the email address to send all complaints/problems to. # By default CUPS will use "root at hostname". # #ServerAdmin root at your.domain.com ######## ######## Server Options ######## # # AccessLog: the access log file; if this does not start with a leading / # then it is assumed to be relative to ServerRoot. By default set to # "/var/log/cups/access_log" # # You can also use the special name "syslog" to send the output to the # syslog file or daemon. # #AccessLog /var/log/cups/access_log # # Classification: the classification level of the server. If set, this # classification is displayed on all pages, and raw printing is disabled. # The default is the empty string. # #Classification classified #Classification confidential #Classification secret #Classification topsecret #Classification unclassified # # ClassifyOverride: whether to allow users to override the classification # on printouts. If enabled, users can limit banner pages to before or # after the job, and can change the classification of a job, but cannot # completely eliminate the classification or banners. # # The default is off. # #ClassifyOverride off # # DataDir: the root directory for the CUPS data files. # By default "/usr/share/cups". # #DataDir /usr/share/cups # # DefaultCharset: the default character set to use. If not specified, # defaults to "utf-8". Note that this can also be overridden in # HTML documents... # #DefaultCharset utf-8 # # DefaultLanguage: the default language if not specified by the browser. # If not specified, the current locale is used. # #DefaultLanguage en # # DocumentRoot: the root directory for HTTP documents that are served. # By default "/usr/share/doc/packages/cups". # #DocumentRoot /usr/share/doc/packages/cups # # ErrorLog: the error log file; if this does not start with a leading / # then it is assumed to be relative to ServerRoot. By default set to # "/var/log/cups/error_log" # # You can also use the special name "syslog" to send the output to the # syslog file or daemon. # #ErrorLog /var/log/cups/error_log # # FileDevice: determines whether the scheduler will allow new printers # to be added using device URIs of the form "file:/foo/bar". The default # is not to allow file devices due to the potential security vulnerability # and due to the fact that file devices do not support raw printing. # #FileDevice No # # FontPath: the path to locate all font files (currently only for pstoraster) # By default "/usr/share/cups/fonts". # #FontPath /usr/share/cups/fonts # # LogLevel: controls the number of messages logged to the ErrorLog # file and can be one of the following: # # debug2 Log everything. # debug Log almost everything. # info Log all requests and state changes. # warn Log errors and warnings. # error Log only errors. # none Log nothing. # LogLevel info # # MaxLogSize: controls the maximum size of each log file before they are # rotated. Defaults to 1048576 (1MB). Set to 0 to disable log rotating. # #MaxLogSize 0 # # PageLog: the page log file; if this does not start with a leading / # then it is assumed to be relative to ServerRoot. By default set to # "/var/log/cups/page_log" # # You can also use the special name "syslog" to send the output to the # syslog file or daemon. # #PageLog /var/log/cups/page_log # # PreserveJobHistory: whether or not to preserve the job history after a # job is completed, cancelled, or stopped. Default is Yes. # #PreserveJobHistory Yes # # PreserveJobFiles: whether or not to preserve the job files after a # job is completed, cancelled, or stopped. Default is No. # #PreserveJobFiles No # # AutoPurgeJobs: automatically purge jobs when not needed for quotas. # Default is No. # #AutoPurgeJobs No # # MaxCopies: maximum number of copies that a user can request. Default is # 100. # #MaxCopies 100 # # MaxJobs: maximum number of jobs to keep in memory (active and completed.) # Default is 500; the value 0 is used for no limit. # #MaxJobs 500 # # MaxJobsPerPrinter: maximum number of active jobs per printer. The default # is 0 for no limit. # #MaxJobsPerPrinter 0 # # MaxJobsPerUser: maximum number of active jobs per user. The default # is 0 for no limit. # #MaxJobsPerUser 0 # # MaxPrinterHistory: controls the maximum number of history collections # in the printer-state-history attribute. Set to 0 to disable history # data. # #MaxPrinterHistory 10 # # Printcap: the name of the printcap file. Default is /etc/printcap. # Leave blank to disable printcap file generation. # #Printcap /etc/printcap Printcap /etc/printcap # # PrintcapFormat: the format of the printcap file, currently either # BSD or Solaris. The default is "BSD". # #PrintcapFormat BSD #PrintcapFormat Solaris # # PrintcapGUI: the name of the GUI options panel program to associate # with print queues under IRIX. The default is "/usr/bin/glpoptions" # from ESP Print Pro. # # This option is only used under IRIX; the options panel program # must accept the "-d printer" and "-o options" options and write # the selected printer options back to stdout on completion. # #PrintcapGUI /usr/bin/glpoptions # # RequestRoot: the directory where request files are stored. # By default "/var/spoo # # RemoteRoot: the name of the user assigned to unauthenticated accesses # from remote systems. By default "remroot". # #RemoteRoot remroot # # ServerBin: the root directory for the scheduler executables. # By default "/usr/lib/cups". # #ServerBin /usr/lib/cups # # ServerRoot: the root directory for the scheduler. # By default "/etc/cups". # #ServerRoot /etc/cups # # ServerTokens: specifies what information in provided in the Server # header of HTTP responses. The default is Minor. # # ServerTokens None # ServerTokens ProductOnly CUPS # ServerTokens Major CUPS/1 # ServerTokens Minor CUPS/1.1 # ServerTokens Minimal CUPS/1.1.23 # ServerTokens OS CUPS/1.1.23 (uname) # ServerTokens Full CUPS/1.1.23 (uname) IPP/1.1 # #ServerTokens Minor ######## ######## Fax Support ######## # # FaxRetryLimit: the number of times a fax job is retried. # The defa #FaxRetryLimit 5 # # FaxRetryInterval: the number of seconds between fax job retries. # The default is 300 seconds/5 minutes. # #FaxRetryInterval 300 ######## ######## Encryption Support ######## # # ServerCertificate: the file to read containing the server's certificate. # Defaults to "/etc/cups/ssl/server.crt". # #ServerCertificate /etc/cups/ssl/server.crt # # ServerKey: the file to read containing the server's key. # must be lp and lp, however you can configure things for another # user or group as needed. # # Note: the server must be run initially as root to support the # default IPP port of 631. It changes users whenever an external # program is run, or if the RunAsUser directive is specified... # #User lp #Group lp User lp From mwiater at cablespeed.com Mon Oct 2 07:14:25 2006 From: mwiater at cablespeed.com (Mark Wiater) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:14:25 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Samba shared printer In-Reply-To: <20061001210020.cy706k3qi9csco8c@www.embedded-sys.com> References: <20061001210020.cy706k3qi9csco8c@www.embedded-sys.com> Message-ID: <452102A1.40800@cablespeed.com> Eric Gosnell wrote: > I am running: > Linux version 2.6.16.13-4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.1.0 > (SUSE Linux)) #1 Wed May 3 04:53:23 UTC 2006 what version of samba is this Eric? > > I will be printing via this box and using the shared directory from > Windows XP boxes. (I gave up using my laptop wirelessly in Linux.) I recently had a problem printing from XP through a samba shared printer after a Samba upgrade. I had to add the 'use client driver = yes' option to the global section. I was driven to this solution by a unique log message (that I can't find anymore). What do you logs for the failing workstation say? As far as the shared directory is concerned, check your create mask Mark From pdragon at pdragon.net Mon Oct 2 23:20:11 2006 From: pdragon at pdragon.net (Keith) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:20:11 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Checking for failing hdd In-Reply-To: <20060928172935.62950.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060928172935.62950.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2329fcf80610022120ub22074aoa9362b5a8d2b7316@mail.gmail.com> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the suggestions and let you know what my problems actually was (just in case it helps someone else). Thankfully no new hardware was needed! Both my hard drives (one with the OS and another for data storage) passed the manufacturer's extended tests (western digital). I watched more closely what was actually happening. After about 1-2 hours Azureus would spike to 99% CPU usage. Well, not Azureus exactly, but the GNU Compiler for Java running does (gij-4.1). If I leave it go overnight, the CRC errors start showing up. Reading more about the CPU usage problem with Azureus, they suggest making sure you have at least JRE v5u6. Well, I removed GCJ, installed the actual sun JVM, and everything is working fine now! All this stemmed from me wanted to switch from Kubuntu to regular Ubuntu (trying out GNOME). After reinstalling the new OS, I tried using the copy of Azureus from apt-get (so much for making things easier). That version installs GCJ instead of the Sun JVM. Found out there's a ton of bugs in that version, so just downloaded the new version of Azureus. Neither the old, packaged version of Azureus nor the new version work well at all with GCJ. Keith On 9/28/06, Tom Berlett wrote: > > You might want to try partimage {http://www.partimage.org} to transfer > your current disc's contents to the new. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Motorcycle Roadracing - as a matter of fact it IS rocket science! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "lug-request at calug.com" > To: lug at calug.com > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:00:02 PM > Subject: lug Digest, Vol 14, Issue 15 > > > Send lug mailing list submissions to > lug at calug.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lug-request at calug.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lug-owner at calug.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Checking for failing hdd (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) > 2. Re: Fedora core 4 and Linksys wireless (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:44:29 -0400 > From: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Checking for failing hdd > To: Keith > Cc: CALUG > Message-ID: <451AE2AD.4020509 at Comcast.NET> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Don't forget the badblocks utility. I seem to remember running it with > the "-svn" (mnemonic: abbreviation of "subversion) options. You can also > specify the number of blocks to read and/or a range. RTFM for details. > > I have never used the S.M.A.R.T. stuff, but it is probably your best bet. > > JIM > > Keith wrote: > > >Curious about the best way to see if a hard drive is failing in Linux. > Been > >using Ubuntu as a sort of media center computer to watch old tv shows i > >download from the net on my tv and Azureus started giving CRC errors this > >week. Do this all the time at work with Windows systems and am familiar > with > >what ChkDsk returns that would indicate a failing drive. I saw the fsck > >command, but wasn't sure what I should be looking for. Normally I'd just > >experiment and find out how it works, but the data I have on the drive is > >fairly important to me so I don't want to mess anything up and want do it > >right the first time. > > > >The drive is still under warranty with western digital too so I will be > >returning it via cross-shipment for a replacement if it's going bad. Is > >there a similar utility as Norton Ghost to just "image" the drive to a > new > >hard drive once I get it? > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > >Keith > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20060926/c86cbfde/attachment.html > >_______________________________________________ > >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > >Email postings to: lug at calug.com > >Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:53:36 -0400 > From: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Fedora core 4 and Linksys wireless > To: julsford at comcast.net > Cc: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: <451AE4D0.60902 at Comcast.NET> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Here is my solution: change the problem! > > Go get one of those "gaming routers". They have an ethernet and a > wireless card in them. Linksys makes one, and so does Buffalo. I have > one of each. he Buffalo has 4 ports, so I can hook multiple computers to > it downstairs. > > JIM > > julsford at comcast.net wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm looking for help getting a Linksys wireless pci card running with > Fedora core 4 - any suggestions? > > > >Also, are there any Linux kernals that have wireless support built in? > > > >Thanks > >Julie Ford > >_______________________________________________ > >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > >Email postings to: lug at calug.com > >Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lug mailing list > lug at calug.com > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > End of lug Digest, Vol 14, Issue 15 > *********************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061003/675f1107/attachment.html From brownclan at gmail.com Wed Oct 4 09:10:03 2006 From: brownclan at gmail.com (Hugh Brown) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:10:03 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] Samba shared printer In-Reply-To: <452102A1.40800@cablespeed.com> References: <20061001210020.cy706k3qi9csco8c@www.embedded-sys.com> <452102A1.40800@cablespeed.com> Message-ID: <4ac4077d0610040710o65718d98hc1e2457af25a97da@mail.gmail.com> I've had to connect my printer to the windows box because the windows driver from HP can't cope with the printer not being directly connected. I'd also check to make sure that the windows host can do name resolution of the linux print server. Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061004/5b52dd43/attachment.html From jah1066 at aol.com Thu Oct 5 07:02:57 2006 From: jah1066 at aol.com (John Alan Hastings) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:02:57 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Samba shared printer In-Reply-To: <4ac4077d0610040710o65718d98hc1e2457af25a97da@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061001210020.cy706k3qi9csco8c@www.embedded-sys.com> <452102A1.40800@cablespeed.com> <4ac4077d0610040710o65718d98hc1e2457af25a97da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4524F471.5010306@aol.com> I am using Samba to make the printers on my Linux machines available to the XT using vendor provided drivers running in the Windows box. To do this, I configured a raw queue. Basically I added a printer and did not install any drivers for it, but chose raw. Also in /etc/cups/mime.types and /etc/cups/mime.convs there are lines: #application/octet-. . . These need to be uncommented. Doing it this was, all rendering is done in the Windows box by the vendor supplied driver and raw, binary image data goes over the net to the Samba server. Yes, it is slow, really slow. Alan From scott at kitterman.com Wed Oct 4 14:50:23 2006 From: scott at kitterman.com (Scott Kitterman) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:50:23 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Samba shared printer In-Reply-To: <4ac4077d0610040710o65718d98hc1e2457af25a97da@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061001210020.cy706k3qi9csco8c@www.embedded-sys.com> <452102A1.40800@cablespeed.com> <4ac4077d0610040710o65718d98hc1e2457af25a97da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610041550.24035.scott@kitterman.com> On Wednesday 04 October 2006 10:10, Hugh Brown wrote: > I've had to connect my printer to the windows box because the windows > driver from HP can't cope with the printer not being directly connected. > At least some HP printers (at least the LaserJet 3380) have an optional 'mobile user' print driver that you can download from the HP site. I was able to get things working using that driver in Windows for a printer on my network through a Jetdirect 170X. In linux it was no problem at all, I just put in the IP address and off I went. Scott K From cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com Thu Oct 5 12:09:07 2006 From: cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com (Chuck Fullerton) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:09:07 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting Message-ID: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Howdy, Any news on the next meeting? I've been talking with Robert about the future of the group and if there is nothing else scheduled for the meeting next week, I'd like to discuss the status of the group and see if we can reorganize a bit to help us keep going. I would hate to see the group falter because some of our members are moving on to other projects. Is there anyone here that is willing to step up to help with the management of the group? If we can get a group of people together it will be easier to manage than just depending on one or two people. I for one am willing to help out. Anyone else willing to help? Chuck. From jjsansing at comcast.net Sun Oct 8 12:05:56 2006 From: jjsansing at comcast.net (Jim Sansing) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:05:56 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Message-ID: <45292FF4.20802@comcast.net> I was planning to at least talk with Robert and Erin about what is required to keep the mailing list and web site going. But I agree that now would be a good time for CALUG to think about how to create more long-term stability. I will be at the next meeting. Later . . . Jim Chuck Fullerton wrote: >Howdy, > >Any news on the next meeting? I've been talking with Robert about the >future of the group and if there is nothing else scheduled for the meeting >next week, I'd like to discuss the status of the group and see if we can >reorganize a bit to help us keep going. > >I would hate to see the group falter because some of our members are moving >on to other projects. > >Is there anyone here that is willing to step up to help with the management >of the group? If we can get a group of people together it will be easier to >manage than just depending on one or two people. > >I for one am willing to help out. Anyone else willing to help? > >Chuck. > >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > From dlg at dorkzilla.org Sun Oct 8 12:13:29 2006 From: dlg at dorkzilla.org (david l goodrich) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:13:29 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <45292FF4.20802@comcast.net> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> <45292FF4.20802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061008171329.GN622@chaos.dsrw.org> On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 01:05:56PM -0400, Jim Sansing wrote: > I was planning to at least talk with Robert and Erin about what is > required to keep the mailing list and web site going. But I agree > that now would be a good time for CALUG to think about how to > create more long-term stability. I will be at the next meeting. The website and mailing list are running on a server I manage in Ames, IA. Robert and Erin have remote access to change the website. The mailing list is managed through the mailman web interface. Let me know if you'd like details. --david > > Later . . . Jim > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061008/6e66876b/attachment.bin From haaseg at onefreevoice.com Sun Oct 8 13:01:29 2006 From: haaseg at onefreevoice.com (Gregory Haase) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:01:29 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Message-ID: <45293CF9.1000101@onefreevoice.com> I was planning on going to the next meeting. Although I think it would be premature to offer leadership help to the group (this will be my first meeting), I can share some experiences from being on the Board of Directors at LUG/IP in New Jersey. Is there definitely going to be a meeting this week? The website still says "Wednesday, July 12th" Greg Chuck Fullerton wrote: > Howdy, > > Any news on the next meeting? I've been talking with Robert about the > future of the group and if there is nothing else scheduled for the meeting > next week, I'd like to discuss the status of the group and see if we can > reorganize a bit to help us keep going. > > I would hate to see the group falter because some of our members are moving > on to other projects. > > Is there anyone here that is willing to step up to help with the management > of the group? If we can get a group of people together it will be easier to > manage than just depending on one or two people. > > I for one am willing to help out. Anyone else willing to help? > > Chuck. > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug From dac at cafaro.net Sun Oct 8 15:47:19 2006 From: dac at cafaro.net (David A. Cafaro) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:47:19 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting Message-ID: <53BE07D7-EC63-4058-B151-43CA858DD8F3@cafaro.net> I wouldn't hesitate on the volunteering your help just because you have only attended (or going to attend) your first meeting. I had only attended one meeting before I volunteered to help out CALUG (and ended up running it for three years). If you got the time, the interest, and the ideas, please go for it! Wish I could give a hand now, but being almost an hour away from the meetings, living in a different state, and working with Tux.org, kinda keeps be out of the loop up there. -David On Oct 8, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Gregory Haase wrote: > I was planning on going to the next meeting. Although I think it would > be premature to offer leadership help to the group (this will be my > first meeting), I can share some experiences from being on the > Board of > Directors at LUG/IP in New Jersey. > > Is there definitely going to be a meeting this week? The website still > says "Wednesday, July 12th" > > Greg > > Chuck Fullerton wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Any news on the next meeting? I've been talking with Robert about >> the >> future of the group and if there is nothing else scheduled for the >> meeting >> next week, I'd like to discuss the status of the group and see if >> we can >> reorganize a bit to help us keep going. >> >> I would hate to see the group falter because some of our members >> are moving >> on to other projects. >> >> Is there anyone here that is willing to step up to help with the >> management >> of the group? If we can get a group of people together it will be >> easier to >> manage than just depending on one or two people. >> >> I for one am willing to help out. Anyone else willing to help? >> >> Chuck. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >> CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >> Email postings to: lug at calug.com >> Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/ >> listinfo/lug > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/ > listinfo/lug From eldonz39yid at atlanticdb.com Mon Oct 9 05:35:19 2006 From: eldonz39yid at atlanticdb.com (Eldon Ziegler) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:35:19 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <45293CF9.1000101@onefreevoice.com> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> <45293CF9.1000101@onefreevoice.com> Message-ID: <1160390119.3185.30.camel@carmen.atlantic> FWIT, I've met Greg Haase and IMO he would be a great addition to the LUG leadership. Eldon On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 14:01 -0400, Gregory Haase wrote: > I was planning on going to the next meeting. Although I think it would > be premature to offer leadership help to the group (this will be my > first meeting), I can share some experiences from being on the Board of > Directors at LUG/IP in New Jersey. > > Is there definitely going to be a meeting this week? The website still > says "Wednesday, July 12th" > > Greg > > Chuck Fullerton wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Any news on the next meeting? I've been talking with Robert about the > > future of the group and if there is nothing else scheduled for the meeting > > next week, I'd like to discuss the status of the group and see if we can > > reorganize a bit to help us keep going. > > > > I would hate to see the group falter because some of our members are moving > > on to other projects. > > > > Is there anyone here that is willing to step up to help with the management > > of the group? If we can get a group of people together it will be easier to > > manage than just depending on one or two people. > > > > I for one am willing to help out. Anyone else willing to help? > > > > Chuck. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug From cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com Wed Oct 11 10:05:37 2006 From: cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com (Chuck Fullerton) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:05:37 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] CALUG Survey Message-ID: <002401c6ed46$b5f9abd0$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Everyone, Sorry for the late email but I'd like to get as many replies to this before our meeting tonight and we can discuss the results at the meeting. I will keep all identities out of the discussion. Our goal is to improve the group so honesty is always best. Please reply to this and enter your answers inline to the questions. Thanks! Chuck 1. What do you currently like best about the group? 2. What do you currently like least about the group? 3. If you could change one thing to make the group better, what would it be? 4. What topics would you like to see discussed in the up coming meetings? a. b. c. 5. What is your area of expertise (please be somewhat specific)? 6. Would you be interested in helping out in one or more of the following areas? (Please check next to what you would be interested in.) Meeting Coordination Promoting Membership Web/Email assistance Meeting MC Speaking (Topic) From cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com Wed Oct 11 10:32:10 2006 From: cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com (Chuck Fullerton) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:32:10 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for Work? Message-ID: <002501c6ed4a$6bf6b150$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Greetings! For those of you who might be looking for work, Tenable Network Security is hiring. Tenable is always interested in working with anyone who has a deep knowledge or passion for Nessus. In addition to the Job Description below, Tenable is looking to fill 2 positions within our Engineering Department. If you like playing with the latest and greatest software, this position might be for you. Applicants should email their resumes to jobs at tenablesecurity.com. Chuck P.S. See you at the next meeting! JOB DESCRIPTION --------------------------------------------------- Position: Security Engineer Location: Columbia, Maryland, United States Type: Permanent F/T Closing Date: 2006-10-26 Tenable Network Security is seeking a qualified security engineer to assist in our product testing and quality assurance efforts. The position will require directly working with Tenable's entire product suite, and will have responsibility in shaping future revisions of our products. Additionally, this individual will have responsibility for managing Tenable's relationships with partner organizations in support of upcoming appliance products as it applies to the product quality assurance. JOB REQUIREMENTS --------------------------------------------------- Candidates must have experience with the integration of appliance hardware and software including software packaging, a strong background in the fundamentals of operating system management for UNIX including security, init scripts, file system layout, and Bash shell scripting. Also, an understanding of network technologies such as switches, hubs, passive taps, and routers is required. Previous experience with the following is not required, but is helpful and will be expected to be learned as needed: - Concurrent Versioning System (CVS) - The Nessus Vulnerability Scanner - Passive network analysis - Log analysis - Intrusion detection Only US citizens will be considered for this position. CONTACT --------------------------------------------------- Applicants should email their resumes to jobs at tenablesecurity.com. JOB DESCRIPTION --------------------------------------------------- Position: PHP Developer Location: Columbia, Maryland, United States Type: Permanent F/T Closing Date: 2006-10-26 Tenable Network Security is seeking a qualified PHP developer to work on a variety of security management and reporting tools. These tools are in use at some of the world's largest government, telecommunications, and financial organizations. Candidates who accept this position will be exposed to the cutting edge of vulnerability detection, passive network analysis, log management, and compliance reporting. Candidates must have expertise in PHP as used to deliver sophisticated web-based user experiences. In addition, Tenable uses PHP in a variety of our command-line reporting engines. The developer must also be familiar with development within a UNIX environment, be able to work with bug tracking ticketing systems, and have excellent written and verbal communication skills. Only US citizens will be considered for this position. CONTACT --------------------------------------------------- Please email us at jobs at tenablesecurity.com for more information. From jjsansing at comcast.net Thu Oct 12 09:17:20 2006 From: jjsansing at comcast.net (Jim Sansing) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:17:20 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Message-ID: <452E4E70.3070501@comcast.net> The Oct. 11, 2006 CALUG meeting produced some interesting discussion about the future of the group. The main topic was getting volunteers to organize monthly meetings and to maintain the web site and mailing list. But some other activities that the group could do were also discussed. Chuck Fullerton has volunteered to organize the monthly meetings, and several people said they would help him. He will be sending an email describing next month's meetings and ideas for future meetings. The discussion about meeting presentations showed that there is an interest in both more and less advanced topics. There are those who are new to Linux looking for help with the basics, and there are also 'old-timers' who would like to have very detailed discussions of specific applications in Linux and FOSS. Chuck et al. certainly have their work cut out for them. Bernard Karmilowicz and I will be picking up the web site and mailing list support. Right now, the web site/mailing list/dns is hosted by David Goodrich who currently lives in Ames, Iowa. We decided that it would be better to have the site administered by local members, so I will be coordinating with David and Bernard will be setting up a new server. A big thank you to David for helping us out! I also found out from David Cafaro (another big thanks to his 3 years+ of volunteer work for CALUG!) that while there used to be another group that had registered the calug.org domain, it seems to be available now. So we will try to register it as part of the move. The discussion of other possible activities for CALUG to get involved in included: - Organize field trips - Get togethers outside of meetings, such as a picnic - Help CALUG members who want to organize a task group for advocacy, training, or other Linux and FOSS related programs There was some discussion about CALUG getting a corporate sponsor and getting more involved in advocacy. However, the consensus seemed to be that the purpose of CALUG itself is to provide an organization where people interested Linux and FOSS can meet like-minded people. Then if some want to reach out to the wider community, they can ask for help from other CALUG members. Bernard said that the new web site will include forums. That will be a way of helping members organize other activities. So watch for the announcement of the new web site and check it out. In the meantime, think about what you would like to see CALUG doing and what you can do to make it happen. Later . . . Jim Chuck Fullerton wrote: >Howdy, > >Any news on the next meeting? I've been talking with Robert about the >future of the group and if there is nothing else scheduled for the meeting >next week, I'd like to discuss the status of the group and see if we can >reorganize a bit to help us keep going. > >I would hate to see the group falter because some of our members are moving >on to other projects. > >Is there anyone here that is willing to step up to help with the management >of the group? If we can get a group of people together it will be easier to >manage than just depending on one or two people. > >I for one am willing to help out. Anyone else willing to help? > >Chuck. > >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > From clinton at unknownlamer.org Thu Oct 12 09:39:13 2006 From: clinton at unknownlamer.org (Clinton Ebadi) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:39:13 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] [Clinton Ebadi] Re: Next Meeting Message-ID: <87ac41a99q.fsf@unknownlamer.org> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Clinton Ebadi Subject: Re: [CALUG] Next Meeting Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:36:52 -0400 Size: 2748 Url: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061012/0d267d6a/attachment.mht From clinton at unknownlamer.org Thu Oct 12 09:56:47 2006 From: clinton at unknownlamer.org (Clinton Ebadi) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:56:47 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <87ac41a99q.fsf@unknownlamer.org> (Clinton Ebadi's message of "Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:39:13 -0400") References: <87ac41a99q.fsf@unknownlamer.org> Message-ID: <874pu9a8gg.fsf@unknownlamer.org> Bah, setting it to inline didn't work. Stupid gnus not listening to me. Jim Sansing writes: > Bernard Karmilowicz and I will be picking up the web site and mailing > list support. Right now, the web site/mailing list/dns is hosted by > David Goodrich who currently lives in Ames, Iowa. We decided that > it would be better to have the site administered by local members, > so I will be coordinating with David and Bernard will be setting up > a new server. Although I rarely attend now (I moved to Catonsville, no longer own a car, and only recently built up the strength that would allow me to ride to Columbia and back in a single day), I have server space at hcoop.net that could be used the host the site. I pay the same amount no matter how many domains I host, and can run whatever software I need to run (we have Mailman and the other usual software installed already). > The discussion of other possible activities for CALUG to get > involved in included: > > - Organize field trips > - Get togethers outside of meetings, such as a picnic > - Help CALUG members who want to organize a task group for > advocacy, training, or other Linux and FOSS related > programs I think the calug and umbclug should talk to each other about advocacy since the two groups are in roughly the same area (15 miles apart isn't even very far for a bicyclist). Just be warned that if you want anyone from the FSF down you'll have to become the caglug ;-) > Bernard said that the new web site will include forums. That will > be a way of helping members organize other activities. So watch > for the announcement of the new web site and check it out. Are you sure forums are a good idea? Every few year someone wants the umbclug to start forums, but they really don't offer anything that a mailing list and an email client that can do topic threading already gives you. It could be argued that it gives you *less* functionality because you have to manually check the forum instead of having it pushed into your calug folder. -- http://unknownlamer.org Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? 443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B From jjsansing at comcast.net Thu Oct 12 11:20:45 2006 From: jjsansing at comcast.net (Jim Sansing) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <874pu9a8gg.fsf@unknownlamer.org> References: <87ac41a99q.fsf@unknownlamer.org> <874pu9a8gg.fsf@unknownlamer.org> Message-ID: <452E6B5D.4060106@comcast.net> >Jim Sansing writes: > >>Bernard Karmilowicz and I will be picking up the web site and mailing >>list support. Right now, the web site/mailing list/dns is hosted by >>David Goodrich who currently lives in Ames, Iowa. We decided that >>it would be better to have the site administered by local members, >>so I will be coordinating with David and Bernard will be setting up >>a new server. >> > >Although I rarely attend now (I moved to Catonsville, no longer own a >car, and only recently built up the strength that would allow me to >ride to Columbia and back in a single day), I have server space at >hcoop.net that could be used the host the site. I pay the same amount >no matter how many domains I host, and can run whatever software I >need to run (we have Mailman and the other usual software installed >already). > > Several people at the meeting offered to share their personal site, but everyone agreed that if there is only 1 admin, then when they are unavailable, problems have to wait. There is also the issue of looking for a new site every year or so. If you can provide admin access to the CALUG domain and expect to be here for a good long while, then I think this sounds good. Bernard will be in touch with you. >>The discussion of other possible activities for CALUG to get >>involved in included: >> >>- Organize field trips >>- Get togethers outside of meetings, such as a picnic >>- Help CALUG members who want to organize a task group for >> advocacy, training, or other Linux and FOSS related >> programs >> > >I think the calug and umbclug should talk to each other about advocacy >since the two groups are in roughly the same area (15 miles apart >isn't even very far for a bicyclist). Just be warned that if you want >anyone from the FSF down you'll have to become the caglug ;-) > Coordinating with other LUGs in the area was discussed last night, and has been discussed at previous meetings. I personally believe that the best way for this to happen is for multiple LUGs to participate in a common activity. But even more importantly, someone has to take the initiative to make it happen. If you have time and want to take this on, I expect you would find some support from both LUGs. > >>Bernard said that the new web site will include forums. That will >>be a way of helping members organize other activities. So watch >>for the announcement of the new web site and check it out. >> > >Are you sure forums are a good idea? Every few year someone wants the >umbclug to start forums, but they really don't offer anything that a >mailing list and an email client that can do topic threading already >gives you. It could be argued that it gives you *less* functionality >because you have to manually check the forum instead of having it >pushed into your calug folder. > > The main idea of forums is to take a specific discussion offline. The mailing list is still for general discussion. If plans were being made for a field trip, then I wouldn't want decisions on transportation and where to eat to flood the main list. But again, Bernard has volunteered to set up the new site and will be the one to make these decisions. Later . . . Jim From cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com Thu Oct 12 14:05:59 2006 From: cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com (Chuck Fullerton) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:05:59 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Upcoming Meeting Schedule Message-ID: <007f01c6ee31$74e5e730$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Greetings All! For those of you who missed last evenings meeting it was an excellent meeting. Thanks to Jim for typing up the meeting minutes for us. Our meeting was basically a status meeting for the group. We discussed our current situation and where we wanted the group to go in the future. In all this we were able to set up the Topics for our next 3 meetings. November 12th 2006: "Tips, Tricks, Toys, and Tools" December 13th 2006: "Distributed Content Managment Systems" January 10th 2006: "Vulnerability Managment" Our meetings are always scheduled for the 2nd Wednesday of the month and located at the HP offices at 8830 Mcgaw Rd. (January's meeting will be held at Tenable's New offices on Columbia Gateway Blvd.) As far as future topics, we've had many ideas. Some of which include Cryptography in Linux, TCP/IP Refresher, Programming Language Comparison, and Distro Comparison. We will need presenters for these topics if they come to be scheduled. Our goal will be to schedule our meetings 90 days in advance. This will give us time to get speakers for each of these meetings before hand and hopefully help all of you to schedule accordingly if you're interested in that topic. As always, the group relies on Feedback to make the group better. If anyone has ideas for topics they'd like to see or ideas for projects, please don't hesitate to post it to the list. Stay tuned for more information! From cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com Thu Oct 12 14:06:46 2006 From: cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com (Chuck Fullerton) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:06:46 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] November Meeting. Message-ID: <008001c6ee31$911839d0$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Greetings All! Our next meeting with be on November 12th at the HP offices we currently meet at. The topic of this meeting will be "Tips, Tricks, Toys, and Tools". We are currently looking for speakers for this meeting. Please keep reading for more details! We all have our "Tips, Tricks, Toys, and Tools" that we like best. This next meeting we'll be sharing what we know with everyone else in the group. Here's the format for this meeting: 1. Sign up with Chuck (reply to this email) with what you'd like to share. (this is so we don't have 7 items on the same tool) 2. In your email include the following information. 1. Name of the item to share 2. URL to the item (or where to get it) 3. Some bullet point features 4. A Screenshot of the item in use. 5. What user level of experience is required to run the tool? Beginner, Intermediate Advanced. 3. I will create a presentation of all the info I recieve that way we'll have structure for the meeting. I'll post the finished list before the meeting that way everyone will know what order they will be in. 4. On the night of the meeting, I'll MC the meeting and introduce each speaker as their topic comes up. 5. Each speaker will have 5-7 minutes to present their item. Let's all have fun with this. Need some ideas to jog your memory? Here's what I consider each item category to be.. Tips - on the tools that many of us use everyday, you might have an idea on how to use it more effectively. Tricks - Had a problem trying to get something to work? Give us a short hack on how to get things working right and what to watch out for. Toys - Games, and other non work items that help us get through the day (or night) Tools - Those little apps that help you get your job done. Anyone who is interested please reply to this email with the items you're interested in sharing. Thank you and we all look forward to the next meeting of CALUG. Chuck Fullerton From clinton at unknownlamer.org Thu Oct 12 17:20:30 2006 From: clinton at unknownlamer.org (Clinton Ebadi) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:20:30 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <452E6B5D.4060106@comcast.net> (Jim Sansing's message of "Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:20:45 -0400") References: <87ac41a99q.fsf@unknownlamer.org> <874pu9a8gg.fsf@unknownlamer.org> <452E6B5D.4060106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <87zmc189ch.fsf@unknownlamer.org> Jim Sansing writes: >>Jim Sansing writes: >> >>>Bernard Karmilowicz and I will be picking up the web site and mailing >>>list support. Right now, the web site/mailing list/dns is hosted by >>>David Goodrich who currently lives in Ames, Iowa. We decided that >>>it would be better to have the site administered by local members, >>>so I will be coordinating with David and Bernard will be setting up >>>a new server. >>> >> >>Although I rarely attend now (I moved to Catonsville, no longer own a >>car, and only recently built up the strength that would allow me to >>ride to Columbia and back in a single day), I have server space at >>hcoop.net that could be used the host the site. I pay the same amount >>no matter how many domains I host, and can run whatever software I >>need to run (we have Mailman and the other usual software installed >>already). >> >> > Several people at the meeting offered to share their personal site, but > everyone agreed that if there is only 1 admin, then when they are > unavailable, problems have to wait. There is also the issue of looking > for a new site every year or so. If you can provide admin access to the > CALUG domain and expect to be here for a good long while, then I > think this sounds good. Bernard will be in touch with you. If admin access is a concern then perhaps calug could get its own hcoop account. The fees are under $5 a month (a small donation from a few members of the lug could keep the lug server space up for years). Providing mailman access and such is easy for me to do, but I can't create new users to ssh in and do maitenance. -- http://unknownlamer.org Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? 443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B From jce at zot.com Thu Oct 12 22:56:08 2006 From: jce at zot.com (Chris Edillon) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:56:08 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <452E4E70.3070501@comcast.net> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> <452E4E70.3070501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1160711768.3757.3.camel@ruthless> On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 10:17 -0400, Jim Sansing wrote: > The Oct. 11, 2006 CALUG meeting produced some interesting discussion > about the future of the group. The main topic was getting volunteers > to organize monthly meetings and to maintain the web site and mailing > list. But some other activities that the group could do were also > discussed. sounds like it was a fruitful meeting. out of curiosity, how many folks were there? chris From jjsansing at comcast.net Thu Oct 12 23:39:52 2006 From: jjsansing at comcast.net (Jim Sansing) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:39:52 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <1160711768.3757.3.camel@ruthless> References: <001801c6e8a0$f831ea30$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> <452E4E70.3070501@comcast.net> <1160711768.3757.3.camel@ruthless> Message-ID: <452F1898.60100@comcast.net> Most of the chairs in the room were taken, so I estimate about 20 people were there. FYI, there are about 300 people on the mailing list. Later . . . Jim Chris Edillon wrote: >On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 10:17 -0400, Jim Sansing wrote: > > >>The Oct. 11, 2006 CALUG meeting produced some interesting discussion >>about the future of the group. The main topic was getting volunteers >>to organize monthly meetings and to maintain the web site and mailing >>list. But some other activities that the group could do were also >>discussed. >> > > sounds like it was a fruitful meeting. out of curiosity, how >many folks were there? > >chris > > > From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Fri Oct 13 11:24:24 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:24:24 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <452E6B5D.4060106@comcast.net> References: <87ac41a99q.fsf@unknownlamer.org> <874pu9a8gg.fsf@unknownlamer.org> <452E6B5D.4060106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <452FBDB8.6090204@Comcast.NET> Jim Sansing wrote: >The main idea of forums is to take a specific discussion offline. The >mailing list is still for general discussion. If plans were being made >for a field trip, then I wouldn't want decisions on transportation and >where to eat to flood the main list. But again, Bernard has volunteered >to set up the new site and will be the one to make these decisions. > >Later . . . Jim > Forums depend upon volume. This mailing list has already slowed down to a trickle. Forums also depend on a web server and Forum CGI code, while a mailing list is simple. At this level, it's much easier to delete a discussion you aren't interested in (it should be organized in a thread anyway) than it is to grovel through tables of links. And there is almost no way to easily keep track of what has been read. Finding the next message will require hitting the back button. Plus, there is the attrition factor. If you switch, not everyone will follow. You will end up with few articles in few categories trickling in at a few per week. Forums would have been good for the novalug, which was almost impossible to keep up with. If you want to kill off the group, replace the mailing list with forums. JIM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 10/13/2006 From beau at open-source-staffing.com Wed Oct 18 12:55:47 2006 From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (Beau Gould) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:55:47 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] [JOB] LAMP Developer | Washington, D.C. | 75-90k In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> LAMP Developer | Washington, D.C. | 75-90k Successful candidate must have solid skills and experience in developing robust web applications, using object oriented programming languages and techniques, and possess database design and optimization skills. You will interact with clients, co-workers and managers. Strong ability to partner and work in a fast-paced, collaborative team environment is a must. This is a web programming position, not a web design position. Applicants must have a BS in MIS/CS or 3+ years proven development experience. Job Requirements: * 2+ years of experience in PHP development * 2+ years experience in MySQL, both database management and scripting/development * Object Oriented Programming concepts and application experience * XML, XSL, XSLT, SQL, JavaScript, CSS, HTML/XHTML * Familiarity with Linux and/or the UNIX command line * Experience dealing with Apache as a web server * Able to trouble shoot other developers' code Experience with the following is also preferred: * Participation in architecture and design phases of projects * Information systems analysis and deployment * Common hardware and networking knowledge * Enterprise architecture If you are local to the "triangle" (DC, VA, MD) and are authorized to work in the USA, please submit your resume, salary requirements, and a paragraph (or two) highlighting your skills/experience as it pertains to this job to beau at open-source-staffing.com Thank you, Beau J. Gould Open Source Staffing www.open-source-staffing.com beau at open-source-staffing.com From jason.c.miller at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 12:58:38 2006 From: jason.c.miller at gmail.com (Jason C. Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:58:38 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] [JOB] LAMP Developer | Washington, D.C. | 75-90k In-Reply-To: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> Message-ID: <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> Since Beau mentioned a LAMP position, I might as well segue (sp?) into a question of mine. What is the popular opinion on here regarding the Rails (Ruby) framework? Is everyone else finding that it's taking off like a bat-out-of-windows in industry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061018/3f6d5f4c/attachment.html From randy at procyonlabs.com Wed Oct 18 15:35:55 2006 From: randy at procyonlabs.com (Randal T. Rioux) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:35:55 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> Jason C. Miller wrote: > Since Beau mentioned a LAMP position, I might as well segue (sp?) into a > question of mine. What is the popular opinion on here regarding the Rails > (Ruby) framework? Is everyone else finding that it's taking off like a > bat-out-of-windows in industry? Blech. Not in the government, knock-on-wood. Randy From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Thu Oct 19 13:25:47 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:25:47 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> Message-ID: <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> Randal T. Rioux wrote: >Jason C. Miller wrote: > > >>Since Beau mentioned a LAMP position, I might as well segue (sp?) into a >>question of mine. What is the popular opinion on here regarding the Rails >>(Ruby) framework? Is everyone else finding that it's taking off like a >>bat-out-of-windows in industry? >> >> > >Blech. > >Not in the government, knock-on-wood. > >Randy > You don't sound entirely enthused. Might I ask why? I think the real problem with something like RoR is that it fights an established base. Specifically, Perl. Perl is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks ever thrown together in a language. Unfortunately, it is also one of the most powerful. It's a chain-saw, useful, but dangerous. Python is probably a better language, but it's dependence on white-space almost disqualifies it. Ruby, like Smalltalk and LISP suffers from being too sophisticated to be embraced by the mainstream. Speaking of LISP, HTML and XML would have worked much better as S-expressions. Consider: (html () (head () (title () A Web Page)) (body () (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) The first argument of each list is a placeholder for the attrubutes, a few of which have been shown, implemented as an alist. Indentation would improve readability of course. It doesn't look much different to a human, but it's much easier to parse for a computer and the routines to handle nested lists already exist and are well understood. JIM From jason at dixongroup.net Thu Oct 19 13:30:07 2006 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:30:07 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: On Oct 19, 2006, at 2:25 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: > Perl is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks ever > thrown > together in a language. Allow me to introduce you to PHP. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From clinton at unknownlamer.org Thu Oct 19 17:43:56 2006 From: clinton at unknownlamer.org (Clinton Ebadi) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:43:56 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> (James Ewing Cottrell's message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:25:47 -0400") References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: <87mz7shqoj.fsf@unknownlamer.org> James Ewing Cottrell 3rd writes: > Speaking of LISP, HTML and XML would have worked much better as > S-expressions. Consider: > > (html () > (head () (title () A Web Page)) > (body () > (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) > (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html What you describe is essentially 3NF of SXML which is much much nicer to work with than XML in any non-Lisp/Scheme language. Whenever I have to transform XML docs for work (they insist on using PHP due to general lack of brain power / "we can't have you become irreplacement") I write a scheme program to do it. XSLT sucks compared to SXSLT (or even just using the Scheme list operations on the XML). I used to hate XML but now I tolerate it since it's so easy to process in my favorite language as it is merely a tree. The external representation is of little consequence when you can write tools to easily deal with it (e.g. it'd be trivial to make nxml-mode in emacs display the document as an sexp if you really wanted). Common Lisp has cxml (which is basically SXML with the @ to start the attributes alist) for parsing and transforming XML, and UCW includes yaclml that is great for generating XML (you can translate Zope TAL templates into it, define your own tag macros, ...). 'Obsolete' 1950s technology proving itself to be better than everything else out that for the problems that the industry wants to solve nowadays. I say let the unwashed masses suffer with their lesser languages while those of us who can use the good ones safe much effort and profit more. -- http://unknownlamer.org Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? 443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B From msadoun at hotmail.com Thu Oct 19 18:00:00 2006 From: msadoun at hotmail.com (M-Saadoun DBA Manager) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:00:00 +0000 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <87mz7shqoj.fsf@unknownlamer.org> Message-ID: Hi All How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice Regards Mohamed Saadoun Technical DBA-Manager & Solution Architector ---------------------------- >From: Clinton Ebadi >To: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd , lug at calug.com >Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:43:56 -0400 > >James Ewing Cottrell 3rd writes: > > > Speaking of LISP, HTML and XML would have worked much better as > > S-expressions. Consider: > > > > (html () > > (head () (title () A Web Page)) > > (body () > > (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) > > (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html > >What you describe is essentially 3NF of SXML which is much much nicer >to work with than XML in any non-Lisp/Scheme language. Whenever I have >to transform XML docs for work (they insist on using PHP due to >general lack of brain power / "we can't have you become >irreplacement") I write a scheme program to do it. XSLT sucks compared >to SXSLT (or even just using the Scheme list operations on the XML). > >I used to hate XML but now I tolerate it since it's so easy to process >in my favorite language as it is merely a tree. The external >representation is of little consequence when you can write tools to >easily deal with it (e.g. it'd be trivial to make nxml-mode in emacs >display the document as an sexp if you really wanted). > >Common Lisp has cxml (which is basically SXML with the @ to start the >attributes alist) for parsing and transforming XML, and UCW includes >yaclml that is great for generating XML (you can translate Zope TAL >templates into it, define your own tag macros, ...). > >'Obsolete' 1950s technology proving itself to be better than >everything else out that for the problems that the industry wants to >solve nowadays. I say let the unwashed masses suffer with their lesser >languages while those of us who can use the good ones safe much effort >and profit more. >-- >http://unknownlamer.org >Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop >I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? >443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: >http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug From dlg at dorkzilla.org Thu Oct 19 18:26:30 2006 From: dlg at dorkzilla.org (david l goodrich) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:26:30 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] unsubscribing from calug In-Reply-To: References: <87mz7shqoj.fsf@unknownlamer.org> Message-ID: <20061019232630.GC13073@chaos.dsrw.org> You're kidding, right? You've missed the "Change your list subscription options" link at the bottom of every message? --david On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 11:00:00PM +0000, M-Saadoun DBA Manager wrote: > Hi All > How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice > > Regards > > > Mohamed Saadoun > Technical DBA-Manager > & Solution Architector > ---------------------------- ... > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the link: http://www.calug.com/subscribe.html -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of M-Saadoun DBA Manager Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:00 PM To: clinton at unknownlamer.org; JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET; lug at calug.com Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails Hi All How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice Regards Mohamed Saadoun Technical DBA-Manager & Solution Architector ---------------------------- >From: Clinton Ebadi >To: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd , lug at calug.com >Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:43:56 -0400 > >James Ewing Cottrell 3rd writes: > > > Speaking of LISP, HTML and XML would have worked much better as > > S-expressions. Consider: > > > > (html () > > (head () (title () A Web Page)) > > (body () > > (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) > > (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html > >What you describe is essentially 3NF of SXML which is much much nicer >to work with than XML in any non-Lisp/Scheme language. Whenever I have >to transform XML docs for work (they insist on using PHP due to >general lack of brain power / "we can't have you become >irreplacement") I write a scheme program to do it. XSLT sucks compared >to SXSLT (or even just using the Scheme list operations on the XML). > >I used to hate XML but now I tolerate it since it's so easy to process >in my favorite language as it is merely a tree. The external >representation is of little consequence when you can write tools to >easily deal with it (e.g. it'd be trivial to make nxml-mode in emacs >display the document as an sexp if you really wanted). > >Common Lisp has cxml (which is basically SXML with the @ to start the >attributes alist) for parsing and transforming XML, and UCW includes >yaclml that is great for generating XML (you can translate Zope TAL >templates into it, define your own tag macros, ...). > >'Obsolete' 1950s technology proving itself to be better than >everything else out that for the problems that the industry wants to >solve nowadays. I say let the unwashed masses suffer with their lesser >languages while those of us who can use the good ones safe much effort >and profit more. >-- >http://unknownlamer.org >Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop >I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? >443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: >http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug From pdragon at pdragon.net Thu Oct 19 19:27:40 2006 From: pdragon at pdragon.net (Keith) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:27:40 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Mailing List Removal (was RE: Ruby and Rusty Rails) In-Reply-To: <003501c6f3dc$17b52520$0501a8c0@Athens> References: <003501c6f3dc$17b52520$0501a8c0@Athens> Message-ID: <2329fcf80610191727q2f7eb9adi2fc0fc844d29e63@mail.gmail.com> Oh man that made me laugh when I really needed to today. Thanks! :D Keith On 10/19/06, Rick Radzville wrote: > > Are you asking because managers never know how to do anything, or > because architects never know the details of how anything works? Or is > it just because you're too technical to RTFM? Here's the link: > http://www.calug.com/subscribe.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of > M-Saadoun DBA Manager > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:00 PM > To: clinton at unknownlamer.org; JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET; lug at calug.com > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails > > Hi All > How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice > > Regards > > > Mohamed Saadoun > Technical DBA-Manager > & Solution Architector > ---------------------------- > > > > > > >From: Clinton Ebadi > >To: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd , lug at calug.com > >Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:43:56 -0400 > > > >James Ewing Cottrell 3rd writes: > > > > > Speaking of LISP, HTML and XML would have worked much better as > > > S-expressions. Consider: > > > > > > (html () > > > (head () (title () A Web Page)) > > > (body () > > > (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) > > > (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) > > > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html > > > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html > > > >What you describe is essentially 3NF of SXML which is much much nicer > >to work with than XML in any non-Lisp/Scheme language. Whenever I have > >to transform XML docs for work (they insist on using PHP due to > >general lack of brain power / "we can't have you become > >irreplacement") I write a scheme program to do it. XSLT sucks compared > >to SXSLT (or even just using the Scheme list operations on the XML). > > > >I used to hate XML but now I tolerate it since it's so easy to process > >in my favorite language as it is merely a tree. The external > >representation is of little consequence when you can write tools to > >easily deal with it (e.g. it'd be trivial to make nxml-mode in emacs > >display the document as an sexp if you really wanted). > > > >Common Lisp has cxml (which is basically SXML with the @ to start the > >attributes alist) for parsing and transforming XML, and UCW includes > >yaclml that is great for generating XML (you can translate Zope TAL > >templates into it, define your own tag macros, ...). > > > >'Obsolete' 1950s technology proving itself to be better than > >everything else out that for the problems that the industry wants to > >solve nowadays. I say let the unwashed masses suffer with their lesser > >languages while those of us who can use the good ones safe much effort > >and profit more. > >-- > >http://unknownlamer.org > >Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop > >I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? > >443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B > >_______________________________________________ > >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > >Email postings to: lug at calug.com > >Change your list subscription options: > >http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061019/c1311b6f/attachment.html From migc570 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 00:15:06 2006 From: migc570 at yahoo.com (Miguel Centrino) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: <20061020051506.97796.qmail@web61311.mail.yahoo.com> I'll agree with your comments, specially the one about Python. What's wrong with {} and ; ? Now Ruby by itself seems to offer some interesting choice, specially if you are into OO. James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: Randal T. Rioux wrote: >Jason C. Miller wrote: > > >>Since Beau mentioned a LAMP position, I might as well segue (sp?) into a >>question of mine. What is the popular opinion on here regarding the Rails >>(Ruby) framework? Is everyone else finding that it's taking off like a >>bat-out-of-windows in industry? >> >> > >Blech. > >Not in the government, knock-on-wood. > >Randy > You don't sound entirely enthused. Might I ask why? I think the real problem with something like RoR is that it fights an established base. Specifically, Perl. Perl is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks ever thrown together in a language. Unfortunately, it is also one of the most powerful. It's a chain-saw, useful, but dangerous. Python is probably a better language, but it's dependence on white-space almost disqualifies it. Ruby, like Smalltalk and LISP suffers from being too sophisticated to be embraced by the mainstream. Speaking of LISP, HTML and XML would have worked much better as S-expressions. Consider: (html () (head () (title () A Web Page)) (body () (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) The first argument of each list is a placeholder for the attrubutes, a few of which have been shown, implemented as an alist. Indentation would improve readability of course. It doesn't look much different to a human, but it's much easier to parse for a computer and the routines to handle nested lists already exist and are well understood. JIM _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061019/576aeb71/attachment.html From migc570 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 00:08:36 2006 From: migc570 at yahoo.com (Miguel Centrino) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CALUG] [JOB] LAMP Developer | Washington, D.C. | 75-90k In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061020050836.56172.qmail@web61314.mail.yahoo.com> It depends, who do you listen to. I've used it, and I find it very restrictive - Do it the Rails way or don't do it at all. I also suscribed to one of the Ruby/rails mailing lists. I got fed up with - 200 -300 messages/per day from what seems to be a population of 13-16 year old. So, you can figure out why the noise ratio is very high. "Jason C. Miller" wrote: Since Beau mentioned a LAMP position, I might as well segue (sp?) into a question of mine. What is the popular opinion on here regarding the Rails (Ruby) framework? Is everyone else finding that it's taking off like a bat-out-of-windows in industry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061018/3f6d5f4c/attachment.html _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Consider: > > > > (html () > > (head () (title () A Web Page)) > > (body () > > (h2 ((color . red)(font . times)) Off With His Head!) > > (p ((color . black) Curiouser (i () and) curiouser.))) > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html > >http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html > >What you describe is essentially 3NF of SXML which is much much nicer >to work with than XML in any non-Lisp/Scheme language. Whenever I have >to transform XML docs for work (they insist on using PHP due to >general lack of brain power / "we can't have you become >irreplacement") I write a scheme program to do it. XSLT sucks compared >to SXSLT (or even just using the Scheme list operations on the XML). > >I used to hate XML but now I tolerate it since it's so easy to process >in my favorite language as it is merely a tree. The external >representation is of little consequence when you can write tools to >easily deal with it (e.g. it'd be trivial to make nxml-mode in emacs >display the document as an sexp if you really wanted). > >Common Lisp has cxml (which is basically SXML with the @ to start the >attributes alist) for parsing and transforming XML, and UCW includes >yaclml that is great for generating XML (you can translate Zope TAL >templates into it, define your own tag macros, ...). > >'Obsolete' 1950s technology proving itself to be better than >everything else out that for the problems that the industry wants to >solve nowadays. I say let the unwashed masses suffer with their lesser >languages while those of us who can use the good ones safe much effort >and profit more. >-- >http://unknownlamer.org >Jabber:clinton at hcoop.net AIM:unknownlamer IRC:unknown_lamer at fnode#hcoop >I'm just thinking aloud; isn't thinking allowed? >443E 4F1A E213 7C54 A306 E328 7601 A1F0 F403 574B >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: >http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061019/d37e2787/attachment.html From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Fri Oct 20 01:29:25 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:29:25 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] [JOB] LAMP Developer | Washington, D.C. | 75-90k In-Reply-To: <20061020050836.56172.qmail@web61314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061020050836.56172.qmail@web61314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45386CC5.3070301@Comcast.NET> Which brings up another dichotomy. Perl geeks celebrate the fact that "There Is More Than One Way To Do It". The Programming Python book on the other hand states that it is better to find the best way, support that well, and then focus people down that narrow path. The end result is that everyone knows the same idioms, and there is little effort spent understanding what is going on. Chapter 15 (page 318) of "Perl Best Practices" laments this quite elegantly. Great book. JIM Miguel Centrino wrote: >It depends, who do you listen to. > I've used it, and I find it very restrictive - Do it the Rails way or don't do it at all. > I also suscribed to one of the Ruby/rails mailing lists. > I got fed up with - 200 -300 messages/per day from what seems to be a population of 13-16 year old. > So, you can figure out why the noise ratio is very high. > >"Jason C. Miller" wrote: Since Beau mentioned a LAMP position, I might as well segue (sp?) into a >question of mine. What is the popular opinion on here regarding the Rails >(Ruby) framework? Is everyone else finding that it's taking off like a >bat-out-of-windows in industry? >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061018/3f6d5f4c/attachment.html >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061019/48741d82/attachment.html >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > From jjsansing at comcast.net Fri Oct 20 09:51:27 2006 From: jjsansing at comcast.net (Jim Sansing) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:51:27 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Mailing List Removal In-Reply-To: <003501c6f3dc$17b52520$0501a8c0@Athens> References: <003501c6f3dc$17b52520$0501a8c0@Athens> Message-ID: <4538E26F.1010205@comcast.net> Since I have stepped into the limelight in CALUG, I guess it is sort of my duty to respond here. Rick, I agree that Mr. Saadoun should have been more observant. I thought David made that point in his response, 'unsubscribing from calug'. But CALUG has many members that are new to Linux, and responses like this are going to make them afraid to come to us for help. To those who are new to Linux and FOSS, please make some effort to figure out what you need to know before just yelling for help--we are not paid help desk staff. But when you need help, please ask, and tell us briefly what you have done to solve your problem so we can help you move forward from that point. Keep in mind that a large part of the enjoyment of FOSS is the learning experience. Later . . . Jim Rick Radzville wrote: >Are you asking because managers never know how to do anything, or >because architects never know the details of how anything works? Or is >it just because you're too technical to RTFM? Here's the link: >http://www.calug.com/subscribe.html > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of >M-Saadoun DBA Manager >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:00 PM >To: clinton at unknownlamer.org; JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET; lug at calug.com >Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails > >Hi All >How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice > >Regards > > >Mohamed Saadoun >Technical DBA-Manager >& Solution Architector >---------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > From migc570 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 20:33:37 2006 From: migc570 at yahoo.com (Miguel Centrino) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CALUG] Mailing List Removal In-Reply-To: <4538E26F.1010205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061021013337.98904.qmail@web61319.mail.yahoo.com> With all my respec but the only ones able to give us a truthful response will be the newbies. So, perhaps we should ask them if responses like that have made them afraid to ask for help. The point being missed here is that a "Technical DBA-Manager & solution Architector" should had known his p&q's. besides that I believe the response was due to pomposity rather than to Linux knowledge. While on this list - being humble is a good thing! Jim Sansing wrote: Since I have stepped into the limelight in CALUG, I guess it is sort of my duty to respond here. Rick, I agree that Mr. Saadoun should have been more observant. I thought David made that point in his response, 'unsubscribing from calug'. But CALUG has many members that are new to Linux, and responses like this are going to make them afraid to come to us for help. To those who are new to Linux and FOSS, please make some effort to figure out what you need to know before just yelling for help--we are not paid help desk staff. But when you need help, please ask, and tell us briefly what you have done to solve your problem so we can help you move forward from that point. Keep in mind that a large part of the enjoyment of FOSS is the learning experience. Later . . . Jim Rick Radzville wrote: >Are you asking because managers never know how to do anything, or >because architects never know the details of how anything works? Or is >it just because you're too technical to RTFM? Here's the link: >http://www.calug.com/subscribe.html > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of >M-Saadoun DBA Manager >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:00 PM >To: clinton at unknownlamer.org; JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET; lug at calug.com >Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails > >Hi All >How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice > >Regards > > >Mohamed Saadoun >Technical DBA-Manager >& Solution Architector >---------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061020/2aabe2ae/attachment.html From rradzville at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 21:05:40 2006 From: rradzville at gmail.com (Rick Radzville) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:05:40 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Mailing List Removal In-Reply-To: <20061021013337.98904.qmail@web61319.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4538E26F.1010205@comcast.net> <20061021013337.98904.qmail@web61319.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9dda836c0610201905n1e7817b1n48030bd2e7bb341a@mail.gmail.com> Jim, Having been a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've read many of your posts, and you have my utmost respect. I apologize to you and everyone else who spends valuable free time on maintaining this list for flaming Mohamed. It was the combination of his extensive sig and the fact that it took me literally 30 seconds to navigate to the site and figure out the solution that inspired my response. I promise not to indulge like that again. That's what IRC is for. :) Rick On 10/20/06, Miguel Centrino wrote: > > With all my respec but the only ones able to give us a truthful response > will be the newbies. > So, perhaps we should ask them if responses like that have made them > afraid to ask for help. > > The point being missed here is that a > "Technical DBA-Manager & solution Architector" should had known his p&q's. > > besides that I believe the response was due to pomposity rather than to > Linux knowledge. > While on this list - being humble is a good thing! > > Jim Sansing wrote: Since I have stepped into the > limelight in CALUG, I guess it is > sort of my duty to respond here. > > Rick, I agree that Mr. Saadoun should have been more observant. > I thought David made that point in his response, 'unsubscribing > from calug'. But CALUG has many members that are new to > Linux, and responses like this are going to make them afraid to > come to us for help. > > To those who are new to Linux and FOSS, please make some > effort to figure out what you need to know before just yelling > for help--we are not paid help desk staff. But when you need > help, please ask, and tell us briefly what you have done to solve > your problem so we can help you move forward from that point. > Keep in mind that a large part of the enjoyment of FOSS is the > learning experience. > > Later . . . Jim > > > Rick Radzville wrote: > >Are you asking because managers never know how to do anything, or > >because architects never know the details of how anything works? Or is > >it just because you're too technical to RTFM? Here's the link: > >http://www.calug.com/subscribe.html > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of > >M-Saadoun DBA Manager > >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:00 PM > >To: clinton at unknownlamer.org; JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET; lug at calug.com > >Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails > > > >Hi All > >How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice > > > >Regards > > > > > >Mohamed Saadoun > >Technical DBA-Manager > >& Solution Architector > >---------------------------- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > >Email postings to: lug at calug.com > >Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! 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But CALUG has many members that are new to >Linux, and responses like this are going to make them afraid to >come to us for help. > >To those who are new to Linux and FOSS, please make some >effort to figure out what you need to know before just yelling >for help--we are not paid help desk staff. But when you need >help, please ask, and tell us briefly what you have done to solve >your problem so we can help you move forward from that point. >Keep in mind that a large part of the enjoyment of FOSS is the >learning experience. > >Later . . . Jim > > >Rick Radzville wrote: > > >>Are you asking because managers never know how to do anything, or >>because architects never know the details of how anything works? Or is >>it just because you're too technical to RTFM? Here's the link: >>http://www.calug.com/subscribe.html >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of >>M-Saadoun DBA Manager >>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:00 PM >>To: clinton at unknownlamer.org; JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET; lug at calug.com >>Subject: Re: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails >> >>Hi All >>How can I get out of this mailing list , please advice >> >>Regards >> >> >>Mohamed Saadoun >>Technical DBA-Manager >>& Solution Architector >>---------------------------- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >>CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >>Email postings to: lug at calug.com >>Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 From cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com Mon Oct 23 07:54:46 2006 From: cfullerton at tenablesecurity.com (Chuck Fullerton) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:54:46 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] FW: November Meeting. Message-ID: <006601c6f6a2$6c35d540$a76514ac@corp.tenablesecurity.com> Just a Reminder about our Next Meeting. So far We have one item for our presentation. We're still looking for more people to share their Tips, Tricks, Toys and Tools. Here's some questions to ask yourself . With what I'm doing now.. 1. Is it helpful to you? Chances are it will help someone else as well. 2. Is it fun? Then someone else might have a more pleasant experience with Linux. 3. Did it help you to get something to work? Then others will definitely appreciate the help. This is a great way for you to give back to the group. (And it doesn't even cost any cash!!) It's real easy to sign up. Just reply to this email and let me know you're interested. Even if you have questions and aren't sure, reply and let me know. Have a Great Week!!!! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces at calug.com [mailto:lug-bounces at calug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Fullerton Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:07 PM To: CALUG Subject: [CALUG] November Meeting. Greetings All! Our next meeting with be on November 12th at the HP offices we currently meet at. The topic of this meeting will be "Tips, Tricks, Toys, and Tools". We are currently looking for speakers for this meeting. Please keep reading for more details! We all have our "Tips, Tricks, Toys, and Tools" that we like best. This next meeting we'll be sharing what we know with everyone else in the group. Here's the format for this meeting: 1. Sign up with Chuck (reply to this email) with what you'd like to share. (this is so we don't have 7 items on the same tool) 2. In your email include the following information. 1. Name of the item to share 2. URL to the item (or where to get it) 3. Some bullet point features 4. A Screenshot of the item in use. 5. What user level of experience is required to run the tool? Beginner, Intermediate Advanced. 3. I will create a presentation of all the info I recieve that way we'll have structure for the meeting. I'll post the finished list before the meeting that way everyone will know what order they will be in. 4. On the night of the meeting, I'll MC the meeting and introduce each speaker as their topic comes up. 5. Each speaker will have 5-7 minutes to present their item. Let's all have fun with this. Need some ideas to jog your memory? Here's what I consider each item category to be.. Tips - on the tools that many of us use everyday, you might have an idea on how to use it more effectively. Tricks - Had a problem trying to get something to work? Give us a short hack on how to get things working right and what to watch out for. Toys - Games, and other non work items that help us get through the day (or night) Tools - Those little apps that help you get your job done. Anyone who is interested please reply to this email with the items you're interested in sharing. Thank you and we all look forward to the next meeting of CALUG. Chuck Fullerton _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug From Jbrockman11 at aol.com Mon Oct 23 10:24:31 2006 From: Jbrockman11 at aol.com (Jbrockman11 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:24:31 EDT Subject: [CALUG] Job Posting Message-ID: AOL has numerous Opportunities for Systems Administrators of varying levels of experience. Demonstrates a thorough understanding of Red Hat and Solaris Operating Systems as well as web technical tools and applications. Targeting experience with apache, tomcat, TCP, dump and Perl. Responsible for hosts and applications running on those hosts. Must be able to troubleshoot operating system and application issues. Must be able to provide support on call rotation and act as an escalation point to answer application questions. Must be able to coordinate with internal and external partners for application dependencies. Looking for someone who can function as a project lead, someone who can make decisions that impacts the project. Ability to consolidate system data to formulate reports for business managers is a plus. Must be able to articulate opinions and help guide work unit, communicating complex administration information to a wide variety of individuals and groups. If Interested please submit your resume to _jbrockman11 at aol.com_ (mailto:jbrockman11 at aol.com) for call Jeff Brockman at 703-265-1000, Ext 33195 Jeff Brockman Sr. Recruiter Talent Acquisition AOL, LLC 703/265/1000, Ext. 33195 jbrockman11 at aol.com Screen Name: jbrockman11 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061023/d7e8c6ae/attachment.html From jason.c.miller at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 07:18:18 2006 From: jason.c.miller at gmail.com (Jason C. Miller) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:18:18 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool Message-ID: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database terminology). Confused yet? :) I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but in a single file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` $> echo ${SESSION} 103847294837 $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` $> echo ${USER} foo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a tool are out the window). Any ideas? :) -jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html From jason at dixongroup.net Wed Oct 25 07:30:20 2006 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:30:20 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of > functionality but I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. I've been called a UNIX tool. > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an > interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table > space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that > will allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous > data, but > in a single file. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool > for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- > enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It > just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm > looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu > of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From 5q2mxt102 at sneakemail.com Wed Oct 25 07:39:48 2006 From: 5q2mxt102 at sneakemail.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:39:48 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> Message-ID: <27180-23561@sneakemail.com> I suggest sqlite. It won't be a plain text file, but it is very lightweight and allows DB terminology. http://www.sqlite.org/ Mozilla projects are moving towards using sqlite and I know that Songbird uses it. On 10/25/06, Jason Dixon jason-at-dixongroup.net |CALUG| < ...> wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of > > functionality but I > > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I've been called a UNIX tool. > > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an > > interface for > > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > > database > > terminology). > > > > Confused yet? :) > > > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > > can't > > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table > > space in > > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that > > will allow > > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous > > data, but > > in a single file. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool > > for the > > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > > $> echo ${SESSION} > > 103847294837 > > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > > $> echo ${USER} > > foo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- > > enabled > > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It > > just > > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm > > looking for > > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu > > of a > > tool are out the window). > > > > Any ideas? :) > > Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours > with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more > sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. > > -- > Jason Dixon > DixonGroup Consulting > http://www.dixongroup.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/2eb05e88/attachment.html From Eric.Dickinson at nih.gov Wed Oct 25 07:49:01 2006 From: Eric.Dickinson at nih.gov (Eric K. Dickinson) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453F5D3D.9090002@nih.gov> sed? http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html presuming the "plain file" is ASCII. eric Jason C. Miller wrote: > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but > in a single file. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) > > -jason > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > From william.kelly.jr at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 08:57:39 2006 From: william.kelly.jr at gmail.com (william kelly) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:39 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <453F5D3D.9090002@nih.gov> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> <453F5D3D.9090002@nih.gov> Message-ID: <1ad34df30610250657k33726bb2wadc60a26816e7c44@mail.gmail.com> what database are you using? it should facilitate a tmp storage such as mysql. also what program/scripting language are you using? php,perl? most likely you want sqlite however the files are not flat. http://us3.php.net/sqlite but that shouldnt be an issue because you can always run another select. William Kelly Jr 443-414-4549 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/c0822af2/attachment.html From josiah.ritchie at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 09:31:12 2006 From: josiah.ritchie at gmail.com (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:12 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/06, Jason C. Miller wrote: > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but > in a single file. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) I know it doesn't quite fit the SQL syntax, but maybe rrdtool is worth exploring? In truth I don't know much about it, but sounds like the closest thing I can think of to what you're doing. JSR/ -- Our Mission Technology and Hospitality for God's Workmen http://missions.ritchietribe.net From jjsansing at comcast.net Wed Oct 25 11:04:01 2006 From: jjsansing at comcast.net (Jim Sansing) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:04:01 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453F8AF1.3030208@comcast.net> What you are describing is the VSAM file system on the IBM mainframe MVS operating system. It has a 'count/key/data' structure that allows you to find specific variable length records quickly. I did a little searching and couldn't find any library that would support that for you on a Linux/UNIX platform. However, it shouldn't be too hard to implement. The first field of each record is the size, the second is the key, and the third is the value. To search the file, you either do a list search--you don't have to read every byte since you know the size--or you maintain an index in memory (now you're into sorting for which I recommend a Red Black tree, see: http://web.mit.edu/~emin/www/source_code/index.html). To do deletes, the brute force method would be to define a 'deleted' key and periodically defragment it by overlaying deleted records. If you know the max size of your records, mmap should do this efficiently with 2 fixed size buffers. If you think this will require more resources than you have, any tool will be using at least the same without your knowing about it. At least the roll-your-own method gives you control so you can eliminate unnecessary pieces (otherwise known as cutting corners ;~). The only other option I know of for Linux/UNIX is Berkeley DB which uses flat files. Subversion uses it, so you could check out their code as an example. Later . . . Jim Jason C. Miller wrote: >I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I >dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > >I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to >"insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for >performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database >terminology). > >Confused yet? :) > >I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't >afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in >any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow >me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but >in a single file. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the >task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > >$> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" >$> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" >$> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" >$> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" >$> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > >$> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` >$> echo ${SESSION} >103847294837 >$> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` >$> echo ${USER} >foo >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled >website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just >provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for >can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a >tool are out the window). > >Any ideas? :) > > -jason >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > From jhmiller001 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 11:11:48 2006 From: jhmiller001 at yahoo.com (Jon Miller) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CALUG] gedit? In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061025161148.27239.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am currently looking for a simple GUI based text editor for linux that will allow for a tabbed presentation of multiple files. The only two features in addition that it needs to support are search and auto-refresh (so that if a file it points to is written to the editor will either automatically reload the file or prompt you to reload the file). gedit seemed like a great match but I am unable to figure out how to get it to auto-refresh. Is this possible? If not, do you have any recommendations for a similar editor that would provide these features? Thanks, Jon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dragineez at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 11:43:46 2006 From: dragineez at yahoo.com (Tom Berlett) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CALUG] lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 Message-ID: <20061025164347.77791.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> "I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but in a single file." Isn't that what XML is for? Plain text storage, small footprint, fast selects, inserts, deletes, and it's platform independent. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Motorcycle Roadracing - as a matter of fact it IS rocket science! ----- Original Message ---- From: "lug-request at calug.com" To: lug at calug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:00:16 PM Subject: lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 Send lug mailing list submissions to lug at calug.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lug-request at calug.com You can reach the person managing the list at lug-owner at calug.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of lug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Looking for a tool (Jason C. Miller) 2. Re: Looking for a tool (Jason Dixon) 3. Re: Looking for a tool (Alan) 4. Re: Looking for a tool (Eric K. Dickinson) 5. Re: Looking for a tool (william kelly) 6. Re: Looking for a tool (Josiah Ritchie) 7. Re: Looking for a tool (Jim Sansing) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:18:18 -0400 From: "Jason C. Miller" Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: lug at calug.com Message-ID: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database terminology). Confused yet? :) I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but in a single file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` $> echo ${SESSION} 103847294837 $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` $> echo ${USER} foo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a tool are out the window). Any ideas? :) -jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:30:20 -0400 From: Jason Dixon Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: Jason C.Miller Cc: lug at calug.com Message-ID: <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB at dixongroup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of > functionality but I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. I've been called a UNIX tool. > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an > interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table > space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that > will allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous > data, but > in a single file. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool > for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- > enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It > just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm > looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu > of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:39:48 -0400 From: "Alan" <5q2mxt102 at sneakemail.com> Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: lug at calug.com Message-ID: <27180-23561 at sneakemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I suggest sqlite. It won't be a plain text file, but it is very lightweight and allows DB terminology. http://www.sqlite.org/ Mozilla projects are moving towards using sqlite and I know that Songbird uses it. On 10/25/06, Jason Dixon jason-at-dixongroup.net |CALUG| < ...> wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of > > functionality but I > > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I've been called a UNIX tool. > > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an > > interface for > > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > > database > > terminology). > > > > Confused yet? :) > > > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > > can't > > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table > > space in > > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that > > will allow > > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous > > data, but > > in a single file. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool > > for the > > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > > $> echo ${SESSION} > > 103847294837 > > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > > $> echo ${USER} > > foo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- > > enabled > > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It > > just > > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm > > looking for > > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu > > of a > > tool are out the window). > > > > Any ideas? :) > > Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours > with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more > sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. > > -- > Jason Dixon > DixonGroup Consulting > http://www.dixongroup.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/2eb05e88/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:49:01 -0400 From: "Eric K. Dickinson" Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: "Jason C. Miller" Cc: lug at calug.com Message-ID: <453F5D3D.9090002 at nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed sed? http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html presuming the "plain file" is ASCII. eric Jason C. Miller wrote: > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but > in a single file. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) > > -jason > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:39 -0400 From: "william kelly" Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: "Eric K. Dickinson" Cc: lug at calug.com Message-ID: <1ad34df30610250657k33726bb2wadc60a26816e7c44 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" what database are you using? it should facilitate a tmp storage such as mysql. also what program/scripting language are you using? php,perl? most likely you want sqlite however the files are not flat. http://us3.php.net/sqlite but that shouldnt be an issue because you can always run another select. William Kelly Jr 443-414-4549 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/c0822af2/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:12 -0400 From: "Josiah Ritchie" Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: "Jason C. Miller" Cc: lug at calug.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/25/06, Jason C. Miller wrote: > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but > in a single file. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) I know it doesn't quite fit the SQL syntax, but maybe rrdtool is worth exploring? In truth I don't know much about it, but sounds like the closest thing I can think of to what you're doing. JSR/ -- Our Mission Technology and Hospitality for God's Workmen http://missions.ritchietribe.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:04:01 -0400 From: Jim Sansing Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool To: lug at calug.com Message-ID: <453F8AF1.3030208 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What you are describing is the VSAM file system on the IBM mainframe MVS operating system. It has a 'count/key/data' structure that allows you to find specific variable length records quickly. I did a little searching and couldn't find any library that would support that for you on a Linux/UNIX platform. However, it shouldn't be too hard to implement. The first field of each record is the size, the second is the key, and the third is the value. To search the file, you either do a list search--you don't have to read every byte since you know the size--or you maintain an index in memory (now you're into sorting for which I recommend a Red Black tree, see: http://web.mit.edu/~emin/www/source_code/index.html). To do deletes, the brute force method would be to define a 'deleted' key and periodically defragment it by overlaying deleted records. If you know the max size of your records, mmap should do this efficiently with 2 fixed size buffers. If you think this will require more resources than you have, any tool will be using at least the same without your knowing about it. At least the roll-your-own method gives you control so you can eliminate unnecessary pieces (otherwise known as cutting corners ;~). The only other option I know of for Linux/UNIX is Berkeley DB which uses flat files. Subversion uses it, so you could check out their code as an example. Later . . . Jim Jason C. Miller wrote: >I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but I >dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > >I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to >"insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for >performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using database >terminology). > >Confused yet? :) > >I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't >afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in >any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will allow >me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but >in a single file. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the >task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > >$> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" >$> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" >$> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" >$> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" >$> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > >$> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` >$> echo ${SESSION} >103847294837 >$> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` >$> echo ${USER} >foo >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled >website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just >provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for >can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a >tool are out the window). > >Any ideas? :) > > -jason >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ lug mailing list lug at calug.com http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug End of lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 *********************************** From jhmiller001 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 12:36:02 2006 From: jhmiller001 at yahoo.com (Jon Miller) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CALUG] gedit? In-Reply-To: <20061025170227.50FA05CC07B@mailout00.controlledmail.com> Message-ID: <20061025173602.97472.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> KATE is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! --- Scott Kitterman wrote: > KATE, which is part of KDE, will do those things. > > Scott K > > ...... Original Message ....... > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Jon Miller > wrote: > >I am currently looking for a simple GUI based text editor for linux that > will > >allow for a tabbed presentation of multiple files. The only two features > in > >addition that it needs to support are search and auto-refresh (so that if a > >file it points to is written to the editor will either automatically > reload the > >file or prompt you to reload the file). gedit seemed like a great match > but I > >am unable to figure out how to get it to auto-refresh. Is this possible? > If > >not, do you have any recommendations for a similar editor that would > provide > >these features? > > > >Thanks, > >Jon > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > >Email postings to: lug at calug.com > >Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jason.c.miller at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 11:47:10 2006 From: jason.c.miller at gmail.com (Jason C. Miller) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:47:10 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <20061025164347.77791.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025164347.77791.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3803e6780610250947j547ba40as3b78b1c1989e7ae5@mail.gmail.com> XML would be fine. Any markup used in the file would be outside the scope of the question. Which application would you recommend to perform the operations on the xml entries in the file? :) On 10/25/06, Tom Berlett wrote: > > "I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will > allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but > in a single file." > > Isn't that what XML is for? Plain text storage, small footprint, fast > selects, inserts, deletes, and it's platform independent. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Motorcycle Roadracing - as a matter of fact it IS rocket science! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "lug-request at calug.com" > To: lug at calug.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:00:16 PM > Subject: lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 > > Send lug mailing list submissions to > lug at calug.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lug-request at calug.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lug-owner at calug.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for a tool (Jason C. Miller) > 2. Re: Looking for a tool (Jason Dixon) > 3. Re: Looking for a tool (Alan) > 4. Re: Looking for a tool (Eric K. Dickinson) > 5. Re: Looking for a tool (william kelly) > 6. Re: Looking for a tool (Josiah Ritchie) > 7. Re: Looking for a tool (Jim Sansing) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:18:18 -0400 > From: "Jason C. Miller" > Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: > <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality but > I > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface for > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > database > terminology). > > Confused yet? :) > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will > allow > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, but > in a single file. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > $> echo ${SESSION} > 103847294837 > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > $> echo ${USER} > foo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking for > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > tool are out the window). > > Any ideas? :) > > > -jason > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:30:20 -0400 > From: Jason Dixon > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: Jason C.Miller > Cc: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB at dixongroup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of > > functionality but I > > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > I've been called a UNIX tool. > > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an > > interface for > > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > > database > > terminology). > > > > Confused yet? :) > > > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > > can't > > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table > > space in > > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that > > will allow > > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous > > data, but > > in a single file. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool > > for the > > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > > $> echo ${SESSION} > > 103847294837 > > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > > $> echo ${USER} > > foo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- > > enabled > > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It > > just > > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm > > looking for > > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu > > of a > > tool are out the window). > > > > Any ideas? :) > > Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours > with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more > sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. > > -- > Jason Dixon > DixonGroup Consulting > http://www.dixongroup.net > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:39:48 -0400 > From: "Alan" <5q2mxt102 at sneakemail.com> > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: <27180-23561 at sneakemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I suggest sqlite. It won't be a plain text file, but it is very > lightweight > and allows DB terminology. > http://www.sqlite.org/ > > Mozilla projects are moving towards using sqlite and I know that Songbird > uses it. > > > On 10/25/06, Jason Dixon jason-at-dixongroup.net |CALUG| < > ...> wrote: > > > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of > > > functionality but I > > > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > > > I've been called a UNIX tool. > > > > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > > > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an > > > interface for > > > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > > > database > > > terminology). > > > > > > Confused yet? :) > > > > > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > > > can't > > > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table > > > space in > > > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that > > > will allow > > > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous > > > data, but > > > in a single file. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------- > > > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool > > > for the > > > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > > > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > > > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > > > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > > > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > > > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > > > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > > > $> echo ${SESSION} > > > 103847294837 > > > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > > > $> echo ${USER} > > > foo > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------- > > > > > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- > > > enabled > > > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It > > > just > > > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm > > > looking for > > > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu > > > of a > > > tool are out the window). > > > > > > Any ideas? :) > > > > Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours > > with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more > > sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. > > > > -- > > Jason Dixon > > DixonGroup Consulting > > http://www.dixongroup.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > > Change your list subscription options: > > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/2eb05e88/attachment.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:49:01 -0400 > From: "Eric K. Dickinson" > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: "Jason C. Miller" > Cc: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: <453F5D3D.9090002 at nih.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > sed? > > http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html > > presuming the "plain file" is ASCII. > > eric > > Jason C. Miller wrote: > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality > but I > > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface > for > > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > database > > terminology). > > > > Confused yet? :) > > > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > can't > > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space > in > > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will > allow > > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, > but > > in a single file. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > > $> echo ${SESSION} > > 103847294837 > > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > > $> echo ${USER} > > foo > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the > session-enabled > > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking > for > > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > > tool are out the window). > > > > Any ideas? :) > > > > > -jason > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:39 -0400 > From: "william kelly" > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: "Eric K. Dickinson" > Cc: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: > <1ad34df30610250657k33726bb2wadc60a26816e7c44 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > what database are you using? it should facilitate a tmp storage such as > mysql. also what program/scripting language are you using? php,perl? most > likely you want sqlite however the files are not flat. > http://us3.php.net/sqlite but that shouldnt be an issue because you can > always run another select. > > > William Kelly Jr > 443-414-4549 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/c0822af2/attachment.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:12 -0400 > From: "Josiah Ritchie" > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: "Jason C. Miller" > Cc: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 10/25/06, Jason C. Miller wrote: > > I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality > but I > > dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > > > I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > > "insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface > for > > performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > database > > terminology). > > > > Confused yet? :) > > > > I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and > can't > > afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space > in > > any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will > allow > > me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, > but > > in a single file. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > > task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > > $> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > > $> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > > $> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > > $> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > > $> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > > $> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > > $> echo ${SESSION} > > 103847294837 > > $> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > > $> echo ${USER} > > foo > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the > session-enabled > > website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > > provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking > for > > can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > > tool are out the window). > > > > Any ideas? :) > > I know it doesn't quite fit the SQL syntax, but maybe rrdtool is worth > exploring? In truth I don't know much about it, but sounds like the > closest thing I can think of to what you're doing. > > JSR/ > > -- > Our Mission > Technology and Hospitality for God's Workmen > http://missions.ritchietribe.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:04:01 -0400 > From: Jim Sansing > Subject: Re: [CALUG] Looking for a tool > To: lug at calug.com > Message-ID: <453F8AF1.3030208 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What you are describing is the VSAM file system on the IBM > mainframe MVS operating system. It has a 'count/key/data' > structure that allows you to find specific variable length records > quickly. I did a little searching and couldn't find any library > that would support that for you on a Linux/UNIX platform. > > However, it shouldn't be too hard to implement. The first field > of each record is the size, the second is the key, and the third is > the value. To search the file, you either do a list search--you > don't have to read every byte since you know the size--or you > maintain an index in memory (now you're into sorting for which > I recommend a Red Black tree, see: > http://web.mit.edu/~emin/www/source_code/index.html). > > To do deletes, the brute force method would be to define a > 'deleted' key and periodically defragment it by overlaying > deleted records. If you know the max size of your records, > mmap should do this efficiently with 2 fixed size buffers. > > If you think this will require more resources than you have, > any tool will be using at least the same without your knowing > about it. At least the roll-your-own method gives you control > so you can eliminate unnecessary pieces (otherwise known as > cutting corners ;~). > > The only other option I know of for Linux/UNIX is Berkeley DB > which uses flat files. Subversion uses it, so you could check out > their code as an example. > > Later . . . Jim > > > Jason C. Miller wrote: > >I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of functionality > but I > >dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. > > > >I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to > >"insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an interface > for > >performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using > database > >terminology). > > > >Confused yet? :) > > > >I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and can't > >afford to run another database intance or provide any more table space in > >any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that will > allow > >me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous data, > but > >in a single file. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) > > Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool for the > >task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... > > > >$> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" > >$> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" > >$> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" > >$> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" > >$> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" > > > >$> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` > >$> echo ${SESSION} > >103847294837 > >$> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` > >$> echo ${USER} > >foo > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session-enabled > >website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It just > >provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm looking > for > >can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu of a > >tool are out the window). > > > >Any ideas? :) > > > > > -jason > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/5836528f/attachment.html > >_______________________________________________ > >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > >Email postings to: lug at calug.com > >Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lug mailing list > lug at calug.com > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > End of lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 > *********************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list > CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com > Email postings to: lug at calug.com > Change your list subscription options: > http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061025/42d92f76/attachment.html From dododge at dododge.net Wed Oct 25 18:09:41 2006 From: dododge at dododge.net (Dave Dodge) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:09:41 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] lug Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <3803e6780610250947j547ba40as3b78b1c1989e7ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025164347.77791.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> <3803e6780610250947j547ba40as3b78b1c1989e7ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061025230941.GD13829@basmati> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 12:47:10PM -0400, Jason C. Miller wrote: > XML would be fine. Any markup used in the file would be outside the scope > of the question. Which application would you recommend to perform the > operations on the xml entries in the file? :) You could probably do it with xslt -- though it might require a small application in shell/perl to prepare the xslt input for each operation, and by that point you may be better off using a flat file and dropping xslt and xml out of the picture. -Dave Dodge From jason at dixongroup.net Wed Oct 25 18:59:16 2006 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:59:16 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <453FF836.8090608@comcast.net> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> <453FF836.8090608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9B7CB39A-CE6C-442E-B355-A093ED695333@dixongroup.net> On Oct 25, 2006, at 7:50 PM, randy schrickel wrote: > Jason Dixon wrote: > >> I've been called a UNIX tool. > > No, I think you've just been called a tool. :^) That too. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From randysch at comcast.net Wed Oct 25 18:50:14 2006 From: randysch at comcast.net (randy schrickel) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:50:14 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> Message-ID: <453FF836.8090608@comcast.net> Jason Dixon wrote: > I've been called a UNIX tool. No, I think you've just been called a tool. :^) randy From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Thu Oct 26 18:24:45 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:24:45 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Looking for a tool In-Reply-To: <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> References: <3803e6780610250518p446c8f1cm76aa3ecf450e9d7d@mail.gmail.com> <28D62028-AD97-4455-A044-AD5E6820D1CB@dixongroup.net> Message-ID: <454143BD.4050408@Comcast.NET> You could do it even simpler as a bunch of shell variables: export XXX_FOO='foo value' export XXX_BAR='bar val' To get the value of of a variable, you just source the whole file, and then use $XXX_var. To set a new value, you just do: echo "export XXX_var='value'" >> STORE To delete a value, do: echo "unset XXX_var" >> STORE Every so often, the file can be cleaned by sourcing it and doing: env | grep XXX_ | sort > STORE I chose XXX as a unique prefix to allow separation from other environment variables. JIM Jason Dixon wrote: >On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Jason C. Miller wrote: > > > >>I'm looking for a UNIX tool to perform a specific set of >>functionality but I >>dont know if there's anything out there that would do the trick. >> >> > >I've been called a UNIX tool. > > > >>I need a very small and light-weight tool that will allow me to me to >>"insert" any number of data into a plain file and provide an >>interface for >>performing that "insert" and also "deletes" and "selects" (using >>database >>terminology). >> >>Confused yet? :) >> >>I'm working on an application that has a really small footprint and >>can't >>afford to run another database intance or provide any more table >>space in >>any of the already-existing ones. I'm looking for something that >>will allow >>me to implement a "/tmp"-like storage facility for miscellaneous >>data, but >>in a single file. >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------- >>EXAMPLE: (using "STORE" as the storage filename) >> Say I'm running a session-enabled website and need such a tool >>for the >>task I'm describing above. Here's the kind of thing it would do... >> >>$> sometool insert STORE "session id" "103847294837" >>$> sometool insert STORE "number_users" "4" >>$> sometool insert STORE "username" "foo" >>$> sometool insert STORE "privs" "read/write" >>$> sometool insert STORE "admin" "no" >> >>$> SESSION=` sometool select STORE "session_id" ` >>$> echo ${SESSION} >>103847294837 >>$> USER=` sometool select STORE "username" ` >>$> echo ${USER} >>foo >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------- >> >>I need something that's just that simple. Just FYI...the session- >>enabled >>website was stricly an example. It is NOT what I'm working on. It >>just >>provided with a valid use-case for the tool. The solution I'm >>looking for >>can't be OS-dependent (so Linux or Solaris filesystem tricks in leu >>of a >>tool are out the window). >> >>Any ideas? :) >> >> > >Nothing existing that I can think of. Could be done in a few hours >with either Perl or { sh + expect }. I think it would make more >sense in Perl, given the regex you'd need for SELECT statements. > >-- >Jason Dixon >DixonGroup Consulting >http://www.dixongroup.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Thu Oct 26 18:32:22 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:32:22 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] gedit? In-Reply-To: <20061025173602.97472.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061025173602.97472.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45414586.6040800@Comcast.NET> Something else that works nicely is to use "the file manager", whichever one that happens to be. I think it's the standard KDE one (could be gnome tho). You can go in a directory, select a bunch of files, and rightclick selecting "open these NNN items in NNN new tabs (or windows). And of course, the "appropriate" open action is taken based on the MIME type of the file. JIM Jon Miller wrote: >KATE is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! > >--- Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > >>KATE, which is part of KDE, will do those things. >> >>Scott K >> >>...... Original Message ....... >>On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Jon Miller >>wrote: >> >> >>>I am currently looking for a simple GUI based text editor for linux that >>> >>> >>will >> >> >>>allow for a tabbed presentation of multiple files. The only two features >>> >>> >>in >> >> >>>addition that it needs to support are search and auto-refresh (so that if a >>>file it points to is written to the editor will either automatically >>> >>> >>reload the >> >> >>>file or prompt you to reload the file). gedit seemed like a great match >>> >>> >>but I >> >> >>>am unable to figure out how to get it to auto-refresh. Is this possible? >>> >>> >>If >> >> >>>not, do you have any recommendations for a similar editor that would >>> >>> >>provide >> >> >>>these features? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jon >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Fri Oct 27 14:37:01 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:37:01 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] SUSE Bashrc In-Reply-To: <4ac4077d0603240849w12fb951bk5beda6fb5abe71b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <44232F2E.6B6A6BE4@mpflaum.com> <4ac4077d0603240849w12fb951bk5beda6fb5abe71b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45425FDD.2020403@Comcast.NET> Bash should be the root shell for ANY Linux Distribution. I would go further and say that it should be the default everywhere, but that's another story. I dunno about SUSE, but RHEL has a package called "rootfiles" which contains the standard dotfiles for root. Other than sourcing /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc (I think), they are largely worthless. Don't forget to nuke the rm, cp, and mv aliases and reset your LANG/LOCALE/LC_ALL back to C. JIM Hugh Brown wrote: >First check that bash is the shell for root. Then just create one. >Alternatively, there is probably a copy of both those files in /etc/skel > >I'd check to make sure that they (/etc/skel/.bash*) behave appropriately for >a root user. > >Hugh > >On 3/23/06, Mark Pflaum wrote: > > >>Loaded Suse 10.0. >>Would like to customize the term window prompt, >>but can't find .bashrc in /root.. >>Is there another file? >>Same with .bash_profile - can't find it in /root. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >>CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >>Email postings to: lug at calug.com >>Change your list subscription options: >>http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20060324/288d777a/attachment.html >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Sat Oct 28 18:13:01 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:13:01 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: <4543E3FD.6050207@Comcast.NET> Jason Dixon wrote: > On Oct 19, 2006, at 2:25 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: > >> Perl is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks ever >> thrown >> together in a language. > > > Allow me to introduce you to PHP. My first thought was that was intended to mean that PHP shares most of its shortcomings, little of its charm, and adds its own quirks to the mess. However, another interpretation might be that PHP chooses an appropriate subset and adds good support for the COM model, producing a decent language. I am guessing that you meant more along the first line, but I am interested in your elaboration either way. > -- > Jason Dixon > DixonGroup Consulting > http://www.dixongroup.net JIM From jason at dixongroup.net Sat Oct 28 22:22:51 2006 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:22:51 -0400 Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <4543E3FD.6050207@Comcast.NET> References: <001201c6f2de$a45bd0e0$0201a8c0@BEAU> <3803e6780610181058x31d3ba03mb0323109b742d2db@mail.gmail.com> <4536902B.80207@procyonlabs.com> <4537C32B.6040502@Comcast.NET> <4543E3FD.6050207@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: <59EE53A9-9292-4A8A-908C-E55236E8A15C@dixongroup.net> On Oct 28, 2006, at 7:13 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: > Jason Dixon wrote: > >> On Oct 19, 2006, at 2:25 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: >> >>> Perl is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks >>> ever thrown >>> together in a language. >> >> Allow me to introduce you to PHP. > > My first thought was that was intended to mean that PHP shares most > of its shortcomings, little of its charm, and adds its own quirks > to the mess. > > However, another interpretation might be that PHP chooses an > appropriate subset and adds good support for the COM model, > producing a decent language. > > I am guessing that you meant more along the first line, but I am > interested in your elaboration either way. PHP is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks ever thrown together in a language. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From migc570 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 17:04:30 2006 From: migc570 at yahoo.com (Miguel Centrino) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CALUG] Ruby and Rusty Rails In-Reply-To: <4543E3FD.6050207@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: <20061030230430.17473.qmail@web61322.mail.yahoo.com> Be positive. My understanding was on the second issue. A lot better than Perl. Get on the wagon! James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: Jason Dixon wrote: > On Oct 19, 2006, at 2:25 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: > >> Perl is the most brain-dead collection of special case hacks ever >> thrown >> together in a language. > > > Allow me to introduce you to PHP. My first thought was that was intended to mean that PHP shares most of its shortcomings, little of its charm, and adds its own quirks to the mess. However, another interpretation might be that PHP chooses an appropriate subset and adds good support for the COM model, producing a decent language. I am guessing that you meant more along the first line, but I am interested in your elaboration either way. > -- > Jason Dixon > DixonGroup Consulting > http://www.dixongroup.net JIM _______________________________________________ Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com Email postings to: lug at calug.com Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug --------------------------------- Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calug.com/pipermail/lug/attachments/20061030/cb0953ab/attachment.html From jason at dixongroup.net Mon Oct 30 20:11:23 2006 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:11:23 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] BSD is Dying talk Message-ID: <24D737B1-9A18-4198-9F26-0C24D47BEF58@dixongroup.net> I have a talk that was presented last weekend at the NYC BSD Conference. It was a big hit and lots of fun. Of course, it helps if you have some knowledge of BSD and a good sense of humor. If there is any interest at presenting this at a future CALUG meeting, please let me know. http://www.nycbsdcon.org/speakers#Dixon Thanks, -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From randy at procyonlabs.com Mon Oct 30 20:45:40 2006 From: randy at procyonlabs.com (Randal T. Rioux) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:45:40 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] BSD is Dying talk In-Reply-To: <24D737B1-9A18-4198-9F26-0C24D47BEF58@dixongroup.net> References: <24D737B1-9A18-4198-9F26-0C24D47BEF58@dixongroup.net> Message-ID: <4546B8D4.2000902@procyonlabs.com> Jason Dixon wrote: > I have a talk that was presented last weekend at the NYC BSD > Conference. It was a big hit and lots of fun. Of course, it helps > if you have some knowledge of BSD and a good sense of humor. If > there is any interest at presenting this at a future CALUG meeting, > please let me know. > > http://www.nycbsdcon.org/speakers#Dixon > I'd leave my cave for that :-) Randy From WendelDRenner at comcast.net Tue Oct 31 14:28:27 2006 From: WendelDRenner at comcast.net (Wendel Dean Renner) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:27 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] Need dual boot system Message-ID: <4547B1EB.2020106@comcast.net> Any recommendation of where I can take a new computer to in Columbia MD (or Baltimore area) with Windows XP on it to have Linux installed also for a dual boot system? From jason at dixongroup.net Tue Oct 31 14:42:20 2006 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:42:20 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] Need dual boot system In-Reply-To: <4547B1EB.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4547B1EB.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D043AD0-5A41-4E45-A443-88534052C133@dixongroup.net> On Oct 31, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Wendel Dean Renner wrote: > Any recommendation of where I can take a new computer to > in Columbia MD (or Baltimore area) with Windows XP > on it to have Linux installed also for a dual boot system? A LUG meeting? :) -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET Tue Oct 31 14:54:42 2006 From: JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:54:42 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] Need dual boot system In-Reply-To: <4547B1EB.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4547B1EB.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4547B812.7070602@Comcast.NET> [1] learn to do it yourself [2] take it to a fellow geek As far as [1] is concerned, Partition Magic/Boot is the easiest way, but costs money. Depending on what you have to trade, [2] may or may not cost you. If you can figure out how to resize and/or move a Windows partition, or you have a second disk in your computer, then create space for a Linux system, install LILO or GRUB in the MBR, and add an extry to chain back to Windows. You need to specify: [0] What is your general level of expertise? [1] how quickly do you want it done? [2] how much are you willing to spend? [3] what other goodies do you have to barter with? Jason's suggestion of a LUG meeting is a good one, but bring along some goodies to trade :) JIM Wendel Dean Renner wrote: >Any recommendation of where I can take a new computer to >in Columbia MD (or Baltimore area) with Windows XP >on it to have Linux installed also for a dual boot system? >_______________________________________________ >Columbia, Maryland Linux User's Group (CALUG) mailing list >CALUG Website: http://www.calug.com >Email postings to: lug at calug.com >Change your list subscription options: http://calug.com/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > From randysch at comcast.net Tue Oct 31 20:55:35 2006 From: randysch at comcast.net (randy schrickel) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:55:35 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] Need dual boot system In-Reply-To: <4547B812.7070602@Comcast.NET> References: <4547B1EB.2020106@comcast.net> <4547B812.7070602@Comcast.NET> Message-ID: <45480CA7.1010204@comcast.net> James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote: > Jason's suggestion of a LUG meeting is a good one, but bring along some > goodies to trade :) Smiley noted, but the best part about the CALUG is that others are ready to help for nothing at all in return, just the pleasure of helping someone. So if you can wait two weeks for the next meeting, by all means, take your whole PC to the meeting, and you'll leave with a working dual boot system. We've done it plenty of times before! If you know what distribution you'd like installed, bring your install disk(s) with you, or ask here and someone can burn you a copy. randy From bart.nielsen at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 18:22:05 2006 From: bart.nielsen at gmail.com (Bart Nielsen) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:22:05 -0500 Subject: [CALUG] 2. BSD is Dying talk (Jason Dixon) Message-ID: <40E8E1AC-3EB2-4562-A3AF-103BCBE5B00F@gmail.com> I have a talk that was presented last weekend at the NYC BSD Conference. It was a big hit and lots of fun. Of course, it helps if you have some knowledge of BSD and a good sense of humor. If there is any interest at presenting this at a future CALUG meeting, please let me know. http://www.nycbsdcon.org/speakers#Dixon Hum. Maybe it's intentional that the talk isn't on line. I'd down load and read it if I could. And I won't be able to attend the CALUG meeting 'de todos modos', unless it somehow gets moved off of Wednesday nights, something I don't really anticipate happening 'just for me'. It turns out that I've become involved with a scout troop that meets on Wednesday nights, so I'm never available that evening to go do 'other fun stuff'. (Don't you just hate it when you have to choose between two fun things?) Thanks, Bart